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Old 04-13-2009, 01:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I have snowboarded for 18 years and have never worn a helmet. That said as I get older I am thinking about purchasing one for next season.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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everyone knows that waivers don't hold up in court-you can never sign your rights away.
Unlike Utah (Or California, or Washington, or Wyoming etc...), Colorado protects their resorts quite well under the law here. Even without the waiver, the plaintiff would have to prove gross neglect by the resort to get any sort of judgment in their favor. About the only lawsuits against resorts that pass muster here are were the resort left something hazardous on a run or a death/injury caused by a resort employee on duty. If a buzzsaw was left running in the middle of a run and someone hit it, you probably have a lawsuit. Collide with someone, hit a tree, wreck yourself in the park by overshooting a jump, you're sol. Most lawyers won't even file a suit against a resort in this state, unless the negligence is easy to prove. Civil lawsuits against other patrons of a resort abound here. Lawsuits against the resort operator, not so much.

I think the waiver is just there for the parent to acknowledge that the resort has a policy of all kids in their classes to wear helmets. The parent can say they don't want them too, and sign one saying they understand the policy. It is by no means signing away their rights. If little Johnny hits a tree, dies, and wasn't wearing a helmet they have proof that the parents didn't think they needed one. Waivers work quite well in that instance. Look at Burton, and a couple of snowboard shops. Their asses were saved by waivers. If the instructor grabbed a hatchet and hacked off Johnny's legs, they would stand to make a lot of money off of a lawsuit.

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The resorts can't swing the cash and get them helmets?

For insurance reasons, I can understand wanting your employees to wear helmets, but I don't think it is right to require them to buy gear that may not fit into their budgets. I assume the resort doesn't give them a couple weeks to sit around watching Brociety for a $30 helmet...
Maybe Vail Resorts will pony up for the helmets. My post about making the employee purchase one was purely conjecture on my part. Nothing in the article makes it sound one way or the other. It would be cool if they did get the helmets for them.
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The resorts can't swing the cash and get them helmets?
not only would the resort save a lot of money but from a legal standpoint (my guess), vail may carry the burden/responsibility if they bought and required a certain helmet to be worn by employees. if an employee received a head injury (while wearing required brand helmet), they may turn around and sue vail assoc. claiming that the helmet was not structurally sound, etc. just a thought...
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On the other hand, if they spring for the helmets themselves, they can assure uniformity, which I hear is important to Nazis. They can also have the piece of mind that their employees are buying $10 Schwinn junior helmets at Target.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Vail resorts are greedy douche bags they won't pony up. They'll tell every new hire that they get their 20% off the sale price at Mountain Sports Outlet in Silverthorne and push them that way. For insurance reasons it's a great idea. Look at the testers of the terrain park, most are my friends and they don't wear a helmet. Sorry but if it's 6 a.m. the sun hasn't come up and you're jumping a 100 footer of doom I'd wear a helmet.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:27 PM   #17 (permalink)
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$90 is still a lot of food, beer, and play money for a bottom feeder employee.
4 dirty thirtys and a fifth of burnetts...thats quite a lot to give upi had to do it when i went on a trip to canada so i could go in the park and this was a completely unexpected cost that was hard for me to pay for at the time. helmets are not cheap for us youngsters, and spending that much on something you dont want sucks even harder. although now im glad i got it..
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Vail resorts are greedy douche bags they won't pony up. They'll tell every new hire that they get their 20% off the sale price at Mountain Sports Outlet in Silverthorne and push them that way.
I'm sure the "greedy douche bags" is probably correct but the rest is wrong.

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Vail Resorts to require helmets for all on-mountain staff when skiing, riding next season
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April 13, 2009 — Vail Resorts today announced that, beginning with the 2009-2010 winter season, the Company will require all employees to wear helmets when skiing or riding on the job at each of its five mountain resorts: Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenridge, Keystone and Heavenly.

Helmets will be provided to every employee next fall as part of their standard uniform for working on the mountain. This new initiative is part of Vail Resorts’ overall commitment to skier and snowboarder safety programs.

“At Vail Resorts, the safety of our employees and guests is a top priority and we believe the time has come for us to take our commitment to safety to the next level. Our employees will set the example next year for all who enjoy skiing and riding our slopes,” said John Garnsey, co-president of Vail Resorts’ Mountain Division and chief operating officer of Beaver Creek Resort.

The Company also announced that it will require all children, ages 12 and under, who participate in a group lesson through one of its five resorts’ ski and ride schools to wear a helmet.

Furthermore, a helmet will become a required part of any child’s (ages 12 and under) ski and snowboard rental package offered at all of Vail Resorts’ retail and rental outlets, unless a parent or legal guardian signs a waiver to decline use of the equipment.

“We firmly believe when children are participating in our ski and ride school programs that we must provide them with the proper equipment that promotes enjoyment of the sport while also reducing the possibility of injury. Even though we will now require children in our ski and ride schools to wear helmets and make them a mandatory part of every child’s rental package, we strongly recommend the use of helmets for all of our guests, regardless of their age or ability level,” said Blaise Carrig, co-president of Vail Resorts’ Mountain Division and chief operating officer of Heavenly Mountain Resort.

In addition to the preceding press release, Garnsey and Carrig issued the followed statement to all employees:

Message from John Garnsey and Blaise Carrig, Co-Presidents Mountain Division

To All Employees:

Today our company is announcing that beginning in the 2009/2010 season, all employees will be required to wear a helmet while skiing, riding or snowmobiling during work. This was not an easy decision and both of us are intimately aware of the wide range of reactions that will likely result. However, we can assure each of you that this decision was not made lightly and was made after extensive discussion amongst the leadership team with input from numerous parts of the company including our guests. We have also been watching the behavior of our guests, the views of numerous doctors and the usage of helmets in other sports. While we are not sure there is one “answer”, we are very confident that this is the right decision for our company at this time.

The first question you will likely have is why? First and foremost, this decision is all about safety. One of our core values is protecting both our employees and our guests from injury. While there can be much debate about to what extent helmets offer protection, we have concluded that people are safer, at least to some degree, when wearing a helmet. And our conviction is even stronger about kids, where helmet usage is becoming almost universal. For many years, resorts have allowed employees to prioritize personal preference and comfort over the additional protection a helmet provides. We strongly believe that adult skiers should continue to have that right, including our employees when they are skiing or riding for recreation. However, we believe the time has come for our company to take a higher and more visible position when we are at work. Therefore, we will require our employees to set aside some of their own personal preferences to improve their overall protection and, equally important, to set an example of safety for our guests of all ages.

While many of us still remember the NHL implementing mandatory helmets in the early 80s, the cycling industry is probably a better comparison for our sport. We have all watched over the past 20 years as helmet usage has grown to the point where it is uncommon to see anyone riding a bike without one. Does that mean cycling is dangerous? No, but it does mean that people can have fun while being smart about it. Even at the professional level of cycling, where riders sometimes spend 5 hours in blistering heat, helmets have become required. We believe the race organizers both care about the riders themselves and are sending a message to cycling fans about the importance of helmet use. This is the same responsibility that all of us have as role models to the kids and adults that visit our resorts. As a Vail employee, wearing a helmet while skiing or riding in uniform will make a significant positive impression upon our guests.

There are many details that will continue to be worked out that relate to this new policy. For now, everyone should know that the Company will be covering the cost to ensure that anyone who is required to ski, ride or snowmobile for work will have the use of a helmet.

Employees will also be able to purchase and wear their own helmet, so long as it is approved for skiing.

Finally, we realize this is a significant policy change and felt that it was very important that we communicate this news before many of you depart for the off-season. While change is never easy, we strongly believe that it is the right thing to do and hope that each of you will embrace our decision in an attempt to create the safest possible environment for both our employees and our guests.

Best Regards,

Blaise Carrig and John Garnsey
It's cool that they allow them to wear their own if they desire, instead of the uniform one.

For myself one of the main reasons for not wearing a helmet was finding one with the correct fit. I used 2 different brands before finding "SWEET" that fit me perfectly. I've probably worn a helmet more this season than all the others combined.
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everyone knows that waivers don't hold up in court-you can never sign your rights away.
What actual legal text are you basing this claim on? Aside from the one located in your rectum?

While you can't sign away your right to sue under negligence, a good number of lawsuits are based on "well no one ever told me coffee is hot. Where's the warning". A waiver is a signed document saying that you were told the coffee is hot and that you should probably handle it with care.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
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What actual legal text are you basing this claim on? Aside from the one located in your rectum?

While you can't sign away your right to sue under negligence, a good number of lawsuits are based on "well no one ever told me coffee is hot. Where's the warning". A waiver is a signed document saying that you were told the coffee is hot and that you should probably handle it with care.

i am basing my answer off personal experience-when i was growing up all the vert ramps were getting torn down because parents and/or insurance companies were suing the people with the ramps in their backyards to recover for 'damages'.

to try and curb these suites, a lot of skaters' parents would require a visiting skater to sign-off on a waiver (before skating the a ramp in the backyard, for example), thus removing the onus of the property owner(s).

of course, visiting skaters would sign these... then-like yourself-the visiting rollerblader would try to drop in on vert and and get face fucked. later the visiting skater's parents would sue, the ramp owners would present waiver in court, the judge says that it does not hold up, visiting skater is awarded damages, ramp gets torn down.

i am sure this is all based of off state-by-state laws, or intrastate laws (or whatever they are called).

ps-emoticons are really fucking lame.
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