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Old 04-22-2009, 11:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I disagree. You still have the problem with fat skis as you do skinning ones. Two independent skis. I'll take the Pepsi challenge with anyone on skis in breakable crust and other shit conditions. Not that you want to be out in that crap anyway. Survival riding at best. Not really worth the effort.

Not really wrong about the prices either. Tramdock, SAC, and other sites only pop up with items every so often. Plus, if you want a specific item, it gets harder. If you're not picky, probably can be done. A brief look at Alpine Touring boots at Backcountry.com shows a quality pair of boots for over $400. Quality Alpine binders $300-$400, quality skis $400. All on sale. So $1k might be an exxageration, but $400 is not. A Voile splitboard runs $800 not on sale. $500-$600 on sale. Plus you can still ski on it.

Anyway, there are certainly big advantages to an AT set up without a doubt. Change over time is less, sidhillig is easier, and you already have plastic boots you can kick steps with.

I just love the surfy softboot feel. Plus they are way more comfortable hiking over talus and dirt to get to late season couloirs.
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I couldn't keep my feet together. I did the splits, which is not something I am limber enough to do without the help of a speed boat.

Now wakeboarding is a whole 'nother story!
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I skied all my life, now I board due to a knee injury. Skiing is:

Harder to learn
Harder
More challenging
More rewarding
More fun in deep pow
Better accessibility to nice terrain
Ski gear is actually proven gear, not toys like most popular brands these days
Ski chicks are not as stupid as snowboard bimbos who act too cool to talk to you
FASTER!

And I can't wait to get back on skis after my surgery. I'm still gonna board. I enjoy it, just not nearly as much. I can't be bothered to hike with a board. With skis I will. I don't look forward to my next day riding unless there's lotsa fresh snow. Skiing is instant motivation no matter what the conditions.

Alright go ahead and bash me, I don't care. Heard it all. most of you don't have a clue anyways and never will. Just remember, when riding at your local resort,

WE OWE IT ALL TO SKIING.

Wanna argue? Check this out first. YouTube - why skiers are so much cooler than snowboarders
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Skiing owes it's survival to snowboarding. Not too mention every improvement over the last 20 years.

Sidecut skis, snowboarding. Rocker, snowboarding, pretty much every trick in freestyle skiing was done on a snowboard years before. Without shaped skis half of America's ski resorts would probably be gone. Nobody wanted to take the time to learn to ski.

Snowboarding owes it's original tech to skiing. Metal edges, ptex bases, cap, sandwich construction etc.

Overall they are the same damn sport. Not really much of a difference.

As far as hiking goes, way easier with snowboard boots than ski boots. Skinning, it's pretty equal, all about who has the bigger mutant lung...
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:46 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Skiing is:

Harder to learn - No
Harder - In general, no. Now, it is well known skiing is EASY to learn, and snowboarding HARD to learn and complete opposite to master. That I agree with
More challenging - IMO, no
More rewarding - IMO, no
More fun in deep pow - IMO, hell no
Better accessibility to nice terrain - No doubt here
Ski gear is actually proven gear, not toys like most popular brands these days - Uh, not sure where you're going with this bias comment but there is a lot of proven, quality top-notch snowboard gear these days, get off the Burton mentality.
Ski chicks are not as stupid as snowboard bimbos who act too cool to talk to you - You'd be surprised, many skiing chicks I've met have a stuck-up mentality.
FASTER! - Can be, yup

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Heard it all. most of you don't have a clue anyways and never will.
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Actually, having grown up on skis and being in that sport for well over 7+ years before moving on to snowboarding, I have a very good clue and experience with it to know better. Might want to reconsider what you write before ignorantly typing away next time not knowing who is who on here. I'm sure I speak for many others who do ski and use this forum.

It is very well known that snowboarding is much harder to learn than skiing. I'm sure it can however go both ways if per say you skateboarded your entire youth and try skiing contrast to rollerblading and/or ice skating before taking up snowboarding. However in general the initial statement is represented by majority who don't have much of prior experience in either. I don't know a single person who finds skiing harder to learn than snowboarding, I'd find that hilarious if they did, no offense.

I'm not bashing skiing at all, in fact skiing is well known to be the harder of the 2 to master, generally speaking. I'd agree with this in the aspect that it's categorizing the mass majority who just are all mountain and not a park rat only. However skiing is a lot easier to control and master on park terrain than snowboards IMO based on my experience with both. A lot easier using both legs to stabilize your balance over two sticks contrast to controlling your inertia with it strapped to one. Just watch out for the nut buster
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Contrary to what most are saying here, I thought that skiing was harder to learn than snowboarding. I skied for 10 or so years, and I'd say that after 2 seasons of boarding (with the first cut short by injury) I'm at the same comparative level I was at after 5 years of skiing. I'm sure it varies from person to person, and by background. I skated as a kid/teen, so maybe boarding just feels more natural to me because of that. Boarding is infinitely more fun for me than skiing ever was as well, but again, maybe that's because it just feels more natural.
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Oh yeah, and Teleskiing completely sucks.

Fix the heel fix the problem...
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I skied all my life, now I board due to a knee injury. Skiing is:

Harder to learn
Harder
More challenging
More rewarding
More fun in deep pow
Better accessibility to nice terrain
Ski gear is actually proven gear, not toys like most popular brands these days
Ski chicks are not as stupid as snowboard bimbos who act too cool to talk to you
FASTER!

And I can't wait to get back on skis after my surgery. I'm still gonna board. I enjoy it, just not nearly as much. I can't be bothered to hike with a board. With skis I will. I don't look forward to my next day riding unless there's lotsa fresh snow. Skiing is instant motivation no matter what the conditions.

Alright go ahead and bash me, I don't care. Heard it all. most of you don't have a clue anyways and never will. Just remember, when riding at your local resort,

WE OWE IT ALL TO SKIING.

Wanna argue? Check this out first. YouTube - why skiers are so much cooler than snowboarders


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Old 04-22-2009, 02:42 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Learn to ski, get a splitboard and don't look back. You can ski in split mode for long flat, or rolling outs. Heck, I have some friends that rip up to 40 degree slopes on their splitboard skis. Then you can put it together and rip the good stuff like your skier buddies can't. Plus, if you get into variable conditions, breakable crust, that sort of thing, a snowboard handles it ten tens better than skis.

A splitboard also cost about $1k less than getting a pair of skis with AT binders and touring boots.
From what you are saying, skiing will drastically improve splitting ability?

In that case it is a no-brainer.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:05 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Well, I am saying you can ski on your split skis. So if you know how to ski, you can take it to your splitboard in ski mode. For the hike up, not so much. If you need to ski down, it will make a huge difference.
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