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Old 12-04-2007, 06:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well as a former skier let me shed some light on this topic. First of all people are right in the fact that it is both skiers and snowboarders combined to create situations and crashes...the reason for that is there is just that many more people on the slopes nowadays. Wasnt crowed like this years ago when I used to ski...also keep in mind snowboards and skies are built for speed much more than skies were in the past.. sure we went fast..Hell I hit a tree at top speed...but not as fast as the products today.

But there is an underlying issue here. Yes indeed we are not liked by skiers in general...why you so boldly ask??? Here is why...

1)snowboarding has more of an irratic approach as far as turning and stopping...gives the impression of loss of control to skiers.

2)They were there first. It was their way only. It was an elite sport back then.

3)UR all potheads...like it or not, weather you smoke or not...UR a pothead sitting on the slopes in groups looking around. Slopes are made to be rode on not sat on smoking and talking sex with hot chicks.

4)Equipment isnt equipment...what I mean by this is our snowboard boots basically are modified snow boots. They are comfortable to walk in anywhere....U dont walk with ski boots...you clunk like a horse. U cant really wear them in a bar like snowboard boots. The snowboard itself seems to simple to skiers..remember they are the elite..things really arnt supposed to be simple..

There are many more reasons I can give you. If u take away all the crashes you would still have attitudes. Why???

BECAUSE WE ARE:
Good points all the way down the board. Funny too, because I even stretch my neck backwards like that chick in the exorcist attempting to see my blind spot because a lot of traversing skiers don't look up hill.

And I might be a pothead, but I've met a LOT of coked out to the gills skiers. No judgement passed. I've also seen some snowboarders that really piss me off because they just make the rest of us look worse than we are already percieved. I was a skier for probably 10 years or more before I started boarding regularily and I never had a problem with snowboarders. IMO as a skier there were a lot more "newb" skiers than boarders causing accidents. I think they forget we kind of have blind spots riding down the hill sideways. Maybe we (humans) all just piss eachother off, especially in large groups lol.
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:12 AM   #22 (permalink)
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traditionally speaking, skiing was an exclusive past time; economically exclusive. and so this band of old schoolers, who are still out there, are having to come to terms with an on hill population that has exploded in numbers due to accessibility and popularisation, but also who entertain this 'new fad' of going sideways.

for sure they perceive a 'fuck you' attitude; they think we have blind spots and larger turning circles and to an extent this might be true for some of us; but this is of little to no consequence. if it is, then i suggest they have inadequate skills to be there themselves!

the point is, this 'arsehole' label is one of perception. skiers want to perceive us as being punks, just as we want to see them as being stuck up pricks. it is a preconceived stereotype, where we try to identify a common foe, to reinforce kinship between those who are similar to us. a pack mentality.

this is intrinsic to human nature and despite me knowing this, i still feel that in all of my on hill encounters, there have been far more poncy skiers than boarders.

for eg. if i cut up a snowboarder, they might shake their head at me, but i will apologise and ALWAYS they tell me "no worries". if i cut up a skier, they have slagged me off before i have even inhaled to word an apology. (french ski instructors are the absolute kings at this!)

it is all down to a will to see the worst in those who are different to your self. simple human nature.
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:45 AM   #23 (permalink)
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i dunno, wherever i ride, i usually find that riders/skiers' main problem is that they regard other people on the mountain more as "cones" or obstacles to practice how close they can carve by you rather than as people and offering safe riding/skiing practice and personal space. i mean, how many times have you been chillin on teh side of a slope or taking a casual ride down and had some chump try and throw some snow in your face by plowing 3 inches away from you?
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:20 AM   #24 (permalink)
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when i was younger, say 3-8 years old, i was a skier and my entire family was a bunch of skiers. when i was about 9 or so i was at the point in my life where it wasnt cool anymore to do what all the old people and my little sister were doing on the mountain, and i always saw these really cool lookin dudes cruisin down the sides of the run on snowboards...thats what i wanted to be, i wanted to be that guy. As i got better and better i realized that 90% of all snowboarders share the same hard chargin mentality. How many boarders have you met that just wanna cruise the blues all day long and then call it a day around 3:00? Skiers on the other hand seem more conservative, there will always be the people that dont fit this steriotype but mostly i think its a fairly acceptable idea.

A few years ago i had a friend of mine that was just learning to ride. He was on a green just trying to get his heelside down without faceplanting and he got going a little faster than he was comfortable with and lost control. He was haulin ass lol and he was headed right for this older gentlemen(i use the term loosely) and his young boy who were both on skis. He was going to hit one of them so he plowed the old man(he probably would have killed the kid) and the man of course was irate. I pulled up in time to hear the old man chewing my friends ass as my friend apologized over and over again and even stepped out of his board to go uphill and get the mans sunglasses. The old man kept saying that he shouldnt be here and this was for people trying to learn. My friend then sortof lost it and said "well what the FU*K do you think i'm doin here?!?" Then the old man said some things about how snowboarders shouldnt be here and they are too dangerous and blah blah blah.

we've all met that guy. but lots of skiers have met that piece of shit guy on a snowboard as well.
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:37 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I was having this conversation yesterday in the gondola at Stratton with my skier buddy who is a self proclaimed snowboard hater obviously him and I are very good friends and go ride the mountain together so his argument for his disliking of snowboarders is that as previously stated we all always seem out of control on the mountain. Also because there are many of us that will push ourselves on terrain we can't really handle yet we have a tendency to just slide down the mountain on our heel edge thus ruining the terrain for the people who can handle it. My response to him was basically that I think the problem lies in the fact that there are just way more "new" snowboarders than there are skiers so there much less overall experience riding the mountain on a snowboard. Also new snowboarders do tend to take up more space on the slope than do skiers due to most making very wide turns as we learn to link and get more comfortable turning in a smaller radius. Skiers overall mountain footprint is smaller as the turning principles are just different from snowboarders.

He did agree with what I was saying and I think that lightened his perception more. In terms of the attitude, there are plenty of shitty people that both ski and snowboard so it really just comes down to the person
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Also because there are many of us that will push ourselves we have a tendency to just slide down on our heel edge thus ruining the terrain for the people who can handle it.
yeah coz snowboarders are the creators of mogul fields! *super sarc*
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yeah coz snowboarders are the creators of mogul fields! *super sarc*
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:39 AM   #28 (permalink)
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thing is this about the mogul fields... to skiers it's not a problem they use them to turn which is why they exist... for us snowboarders they're a big pain in the ass. I agree with you guys but just figured I'd post his opinion as well
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truth be told (and don't tell the skiers) i don't really mind mogul fields....

you can use them to bank turns off of as well, and the ones with a bit of flat behind them make super wicked jumps! holy schmeg i have broken the sound barrier a good few times from hopping moguls!

they're like whoop-dee-doos!
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:06 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Yeah, moguls don't bother me one bit. I love the fact I can beat most skiers down 'em!
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