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Old 01-24-2010, 12:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I went snowboarding for the first time yesterday. Spent some time with instructor and lessons then was off to the bunny hill. I think I did fairly well considering my first run. My body is still soar from 6 hrs of constant riding probably 10 runs at the end of the day. While up the mountain I'm wondering if skiing is better for me? The problem I noticed I was having with the snowboard:

1. I learn how to stop but seem to have a problem controlling my speed. On the bunny hill I was going too fast for my comfort. I watched snow wolf's video and did the "falling leaf" or whatever u call it when you go towards the side to slow down. However i was still going too fast. I wanted to go slow to work on my tuns. I kept putting more weight on the leading foot as I have been told and I just zip down toward the hill faster and faster.

2. regular or goofy? The rental kid asked me to turn around and pushed me, then said I was regular. However on the mountain I was comfortable only when my right foot was facing downhill. Not sure if this has anything to do with the goofy or regular.

3. It seem like there is more control to skiing from my observation as I watched dozens of snowboarders struggle and these little 4yr old skiing away with their instructor. To me it looks like on the skii u can stop on a dime and you have more control versus the snowboard.

4. With skiing it seem like your full frontal is facing downhill compared to the snowboard where one side of you is facing downhill. The full frontal seem like you would have more control as your left and right foot are doing the same routine.

It may be ironic asking whether skiing or snowboarding is the way to go for me on a snowboarding site. I may have no idea of what I'm talking about. Just from my observation as I was sitting on the mountain letting the snow numb by soar butt.
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You weren't nailing the double 1260 McTwist by the end of your first day???!!! Un-fucking-believable.

If you're more comfortable riding goofy, ride goofy. Fuck what the kid in the shop says. He makes minimum wage and spends his money on Technine stickers and bandannas.

Speed = control. You need to go faster than a beginner would like to have any sort of real consistency and ease in control.

It's widely accepted that, in the majority of cases, snowboarding is going to be more painful than skiing for the first few days. But after that, the learning curve is steep and you can master boarding much faster than you can master skiing.

But maybe skiing is for you, there's no law saying you MUST have fun on the hill.
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I am still in the learning process after, this is my forth season....All seasons combined I have been snowboarding 26 times. I have never skied...

What I have been told is that the learning curve on the front end of snowboarding is bigger than it is for skiing. It is easier to start on skies but easier to get better on the snow board once you crack the learning curve of simply being able to do it.

I knew going into snowboarding, it was going to take an investment of time and falls. I fully expected it to take multiple trips before I could really snowboard. I took a lesson my first time out to, and still spent the day on the ground and any speed was too much speed. I spent the entire first trip on the bunny hill, never made it to a green on the first trip. I was soar for a week. The bunny hill hear in the midwest (Indiana) was barely a hill. To get up it there is a conveyor belt instead of a lift and skiers could easily ascend it if they wanted to. I am not sure what your bunny hill was like but thought I would note what the one I tried to learn on was like that so the next statement makes sense. On the 2nd time out I decided to try a green that was a little steeper, and what I discovered was that making turns was much easier when there was some actual grade, I could actually ride on the edges which gave me much greater control than riding the almost flat bunny hill, thus provide some comfort at speed. I did still catch edges and fall, that went on for the first 4 or 5 trips which constitute my usual season...

About the first lesson I took, I was able to execute some of the things the instructor told me to do, but the rest went out the window as I was just simply trying do what I could to stay up on the board. I suspect this is the way it is for most people, until the balance part becomes 2nd nature. I am sure the time for this varies from individual. I suspect I am probably someone that it took longer to get the balance part down.

The effort was worth it, I have found this to be very rewarding hobby. I really believe the struggles in the beginning have only added to the enjoyment I have now. I wouldn't give up after the first trip and accept that you are going to fall, just learn how to do it without getting hurt.

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If you're more comfortable with that, ride goofy. The 'test' that the shop boy used is not definitive, but without knowledge, it's a decent hint. When it comes right down to it, no one but yourself really knows how your body feels.

On the speed thing, much if it is mental. A large part of getting good at boarding is stop fearing speed*, which you only really do by practice, as you get better you know you can control it, it's suddenly a lot less scary.

On the ski thing, don't lose heart over gummibears racing away from you, they have probably spent more time on the mountain (almost certainly in fact) than you have, and small kids tend to be absolutely free of fear (why I survived past my seventh year I will truly never know!)

In the end it's completely your choice of course, but I would really recommend giving snowboard at least two more days. The first days are pure misery, you're falling constantly, you never really get any kind of linked turns in before you feel uncomfortable, so stops completely and you're sore all over from using muscles that has never been used before. By the third day in my experience it starts being fun, but the first two days (or sometimes three) I personally asked myself quite a few times "why oh why would anyone willingly subject themselves to this?".

*Within limits of course, personally I get a bit nervous when going really fast down a double black!
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It is widely known that skiing is a more stable platform and more versatile, is a bit more expensive in general, generally a longer learning curve and more injuries with knees. However is quickly becoming just as creative with the shaped freestyle skis.

I have nevered skied, but might barrow my daughter's old pair and give it a try...she started and snowboarded for 7 years and this year switched to skiing and am told, she's apparently doing exceptionally well...bombing, skiing backwards, has 3 dialed and attempting 5's. That being said she loves and prefers snowboarding when there is deep poo...and skiing can suck in those conditions.

Anyway, you can't really base a decision on one trip to the hill. Just expect the few tough times are the dues you have to pay...its really practice til you hit a good pow day.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Does the fact that I prefer to ride with my right foot downhill indicate that I should ride "goofy"?

The bunny hill I was referring to had a green symbol "circle?". After three runs, I went to the "blue square" which was just a tad steeper and less waiting. The wait time for the bunny hill was like 15 minutes. There were tons of adults, teens, and kids. The blue line was like 1 minute.

I'm not giving up on snowboarding. I think I'm going to give skiing a try just to see how it feels. I hope it's not bad for the knees though, cause I have somewhat bad knees which were sore from boarding.
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I'm not giving up on snowboarding. I think I'm going to give skiing a try just to see how it feels. I hope it's not bad for the knees though, cause I have somewhat bad knees which were sore from boarding.

I have had two ACL reconstructions. Skiing, for me at least, is much harder on the knees than snowboarding.
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If you're noticing that much of a difference between regular and goofy, then goofy is for you. You do what is most comfortable for you, not what guidelines, charts, and rules of thumb tell you.

Skiing is worse on the knees inasmuch as the potential for catastrophic accidents. With a snowboard, having both legs attached to the same piece of wood ensures you have a minimal chance of jacking your knee - you tumble as a unit. If you've got skis on and one ski decides to catch and turn your leg 180 degrees.... well, your feet are designed to face the same direction, not one front and one back. I went X-country skiing last season and I lived in mortal fear that I'd torque a knee. I was so happy to get those damn death sticks off my feet at the end of the day. I'd sooner go X-country snowboarding next time.

Snowboarding gets much less strenuous on the knees once you learn proper form. Right now as a beginner, you're probably ruddering with your rear foot and muscling your board around. That will all go away once you gain confidence, speed, and proper form.

My advice is to just stick with what you ultimately plan on learning. If you want to be a boarder, skip the skis - send your ski gear back to the 80's where it belongs and stick with the board. If you could get down blues in one piece, you're halfway there already anyway.

If you want to ski, then skip the board.

It's just advice tho... take it with a grain of salt and do what you like.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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It's hard to decide whether to skii or snowboard if you never done either. I just picked snowboard cos all my friends were snowboarding.

I do have week knees though and can't run because of them. If skii is hard on the knees than I won't be able to skii.

I think I'm going to try the goofy board next time and see how that works. The whole time I was up there, I figured I was suppose to learn both goofy and regular going down hill. As the day progress, I felt more comfortable with my right foot downhill. This may explain why I was uncomfortable skidding one footed to get in line. I was not comfortable with my left foot on the board and using my right foot to kick me to where I was going.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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One more question. Which board is right for me? I figure the kid just gave me whatever was on hand cos the right board was out.

I'm 5'6 and 155 lb. The kid gave me a 148 which looks small. I'm not sure if this is good or bad.
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