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Old 01-25-2010, 10:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Need help with toe numbness/pain

I'm new to snowboarding. I don't do any park yet, just enjoying blues and trying to figure out blacks. I've been about 10 days with all but 1 on my own gear. I'm having terrible foot pain in my lead foot. Starts in the toes and then if I try to tough it out will engulf my whole foot after another run or two. I've read everything I can find about this. I've fooled with binding tightness, strap positions, and boot tightness which hasn't helped. It alleviates things for one run but after that I can feel the pain coming back. I haven't changed the insoles in my boots yet so that'll be my next attempt if I can find anything decent. Any advice is much appreciated. I really enjoy snowboarding but the terrible pain takes the fun away a little bit.

Here's my setup:
09 Forum Raider 163 board
09 Ride RX Bindings
08 Burton Ozone boots
Stance is 22" wide, 18/-15 duck, centered as best I can. I do use some forward lean, slightly more than the boots naturally have (maybe two clicks on the adjuster) which I know puts some pressure on my toes but I like the extra responsiveness. Also, I rotated the high backs to be more parallel to the board's edge.

I'm 6'3" and weigh 260, size 13 boot.

I'm hoping I can solve this without some other major purchase. I don't know if the boots have a heat-moldable liner or not. I know it hasn't been done if they do. Sadly I don't live anywhere near a really good store so I'm stuck with only a few brands to look at.

So does anyone have any suggestions? I'll try some superfeet, or something like that, insoles if I can find them and I can try easing up on the forward lean. I do know from experimenting over the weekend that boot tightness and binding tightness is not the only issue. I'm sure there's some magic spot where things are better for a longer while but I still get the pain after a half hour to hour.

Would turning the highbacks back to the original centered position help? I read that someone had problems when the boot support didn't match the highback support, Could that be involved here?

Would flow bindings help with the larger strap area or is there a boot manufacturer that does better with high volume (wide and thick) feet with fairly low arch?
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Old 01-25-2010, 01:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The biggest question here is, did you buy the boots without trying them on?
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Have you tried wearing thin socks? My feet cramp if I wear thick socks.
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yep I did try them on at the shop for 5 or 10 minutes, not long. The shops here don't carry much, this one had Burton and K2 boots (I think it was a K2) Anyway, these ozones were miles ahead of the K2 or whatever it was I tried as far as comfort goes. I'm going to try wearing them around the house to see if they bother me by themselves.

For socks I have a pair of Smartwool PHD Ski socks (they didn't have my size in snowboard style) and then a pair of Euro Ski socks. Both are listed as medium cushion but seem pretty thin to me. I can check into something thinner, I think i have some baselayer hockey socks that are little tight on my foot but very thin and still wicking fibers. I'll give them a shot just to see.

So basically this is most likely a boot problem and not a related to bindings then?
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At 6'3" and 260, I'd put my money on the boots being too narrow for your feet. Salomon makes wide boot sizes.

As far as making the ones you have work.....
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i've got a friend who had the same problem (from what i understand) and he found that if he didn't duck his feet so much it made all the difference in the world. idk, maybe it won't help you but duck stance has been accepted as "the correct stance". the real correct stance is where you are able to comfortably and most naturally bend at your knees and where you feel most comfortable riding, it's not for everyone, there is not a universal correct stance. you should try adjusting your bindings and find which stance is most comfortable for you.
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies. I'll have to try some of these ideas this weekend.

As far as angles go, I tried a forward stance and just didn't like it. The amount of duck is from me trying to reduce toe overhang. How much is an acceptable amount of overhang for toe or heel? Obviously I'm not doing anything too aggressive and I don't notice any drag right now. I do think a more natural stance would have my feet closer to straight, like 12 or 9 degrees but I want to minimize overhang if I can. What do ya'll suggest?

Hmm, sounds like I've got alot of fiddling to do this weekend. Better go buy a pocket sized screwdriver.
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I had pain in my feet with my new boots, but that was wearing thick socks. I changed to using dress socks, as they are very thin, and my feet don't hurt any more.
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