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Old 01-30-2010, 11:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i've been piecing my new (and first) board set up for the past month and today i finally got to ride it. the set up is a burton x8 157 with cartel est bindings. i got the board hot waxed yesterday by my buddy because i read on here that new boards should be waxed before they hit the slopes. i think this was a big mistake...
let me a tell you a little about myself: i'm 5'10", 195lb, regular, and have one day of riding experience before today. before today, i was able to turn heelside, toeside, but i was never able to link them. my only experience before today was riding on the medium runs on wilmot mountain in wisconsin. today i hit up devil's head in wisconsin.
first impression: this board is fucking fast! too fast.
i had no idea what to do with the kind of speed i was reaching. it took me about 10 minutes to figure out the edges of the board and then i was able to link turns. whenever i gained too much speed during my toeside carve i had a tendency to end up riding switch, riding that for about a foot, attempting to get back to regular, and catching an edge resulting in a spectacularsly amusing wipe out. i was doing flips and spins all day, none of which were on purpose. i think my worst wipe out of the day was doing a front flip near the tree edge, smashing my head on broom stick sized branch, and breaking it. i was seeing stars after that one.
by the end of the day i was feeling semi comfortable on the blue runs. i was able to make it down carving toe to heel with only a handful of falls each run. i only thing i would change is getting the board waxed, this brought my learning curve up significantly.
overall, i feel the board will be fine. even though this board might be a little more than i can handle, i think it'll be fine to grow into.

i'm currently riding +1" on the front, +.5" on the rear with 13/-13 degrees. for some reason, my rear (right) hamstring started getting horribly cramped after a few hours of riding. i am keep most of my weight on my front foot and using my rear to steer. does anyone have any idea or cure of this hamstring cramps? at times they were unbearable and i was off to the side laying down in pain for like 5 minutes at a time lol.

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-burton x8 with cartel est for first board
-second of riding, first on this board
-made the mistake of getting it hot waxed
-way too fucking fast
-spectacularsly amusing wipe outs
-hamstring pain, anyone with advice?
-skiiers are dbags
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Old 01-31-2010, 02:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You may not be able to handle your board, but getting it waxed right off the hop wasn't a mistake, it's standard board care. Next time out, it should be a little more manageable. As for your angles, you're probably not going to be riding switch (on purpose) anytime soon, so mellow out your bindings. Try +12/-6 and play with it from there (that's the joy of ICS, so use it). Yeah skiiers can be twunts now and then, but I've been smoked or cut off by boarders that don't know what the fuck they're doing as well. And if you're having a hard time picking it up, swallow your pride and pay for a lesson. You'll have a better time in the long run, you'll do your part to make the conditions on the hill less icy, and you won't be "that guy" on the hill give shreds a bad name.

That's a sweet set up you've got. Get out there and enjoy it. Welcome to snowboarding
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Old 01-31-2010, 03:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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.......i'm currently riding +1" on the front, +.5" on the rear with 13/-13 degrees. for some reason, my rear (right) hamstring started getting horribly cramped after a few hours of riding. i am keep most of my weight on my front foot and using my rear to steer. does anyone have any idea or cure of this hamstring cramps? at times they were unbearable and i was off to the side laying down in pain for like 5 minutes at a time lol.

cliffs:
-burton x8 with cartel est for first board
-second of riding, first on this board
-made the mistake of getting it hot waxed
-way too fucking fast
-spectacularsly amusing wipe outs
-hamstring pain, anyone with advice?
-skiiers are dbags
You shouldn't be using your rear foot to steer. Initiate your turns with your front foot using your edges and then follow with your rear. It's almost instantaneous. With the board freshly waxed you should have more speed on the greens helping you with linking the turns.
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And dont feel like riding more challenging terrain is gonna help you improve faster. Go spend an adequate time on the greens to get your basics down. Im no teacher but anyone I've taught always progressed most on the easier hills. I would tell them find a slope your comfortable pointing your nose down hill with so you can practice your edge controll. Speed definitely helps but when you're riding down the whole hill on your heals, you won't learn much.
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I'm not trying to sound like your mom but I think you're trying to progress out of your skill level way too fast. I agree with Dano, getting your board waxed was a good idea and it's a good habit to do to keep your board in good shape. But I totally understand the hind leg cramping, I remember trying to learn to link turns and trying to use my hind leg as the steering wheel so to speak. I found out that it's all about those knees, keeping them nice and bent and bending them towards the terrain as you turn. My advice is to keep practicing linking turns on green terrain! While my numbers don't come to mind, I have my bindings centered (I have a park board) but I have my bindings pointing more towards the nose of the board. In my experience, it encourages me to put more weight on my front leg.
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The base of the X8 will take some getting used to if you're coming off an extruded ptex rental type base, it is a fast base for a park board, yes the wax will make it faster, but it's going to be a fast base whether you wax it daily or not. You will get used to it, like anything else it just takes time.

You'll be very happy with this board in the long run, I've been riding one for 2 years and love it. Dano gave some good advice there, if I ride 15/-15 i get the same kind of leg pain, except in my front foot. Personally I am riding 16/-5 and it's much more comfortable. Bring a #3 screwdriver with you to the slopes and mess with different angles, after all you have EST's so they are much quicker to change around.
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Waxing is about board care and protecting your inve$tment. The X8 is going to be fast for you, waxed or not.

If you've invested that much money in a board and bindings, invest a little in yourself: buy a lesson. Think of it as paying to get more out of every lift ticket from here on in, cuz it sounds like that board is riding you rather than the other way around.
You'll probably eventually learn everyhting you'd learn in a lesson, but it'll cost you a few more lift tickets to get what you'd get in a 1 hour lesson.
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thanks for all the advice!

i'm going to try changing my stance to +13/-8 and see how that goes. my high backs was +2 clicks on the forward lean right now so i think i'm going to try +3 clicks up front and go back to 0 clicks in the back. do you guys think this will be a good idea to help with the turns and hamstring pain?
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i'm currently riding +1" on the front, +.5" on the rear with 13/-13 degrees. for some reason, my rear (right) hamstring started getting horribly cramped after a few hours of riding. i am keep most of my weight on my front foot and using my rear to steer. does anyone have any idea or cure of this hamstring cramps? at times they were unbearable and i was off to the side laying down in pain for like 5 minutes at a time lol.
Maybe it's a terminology thing and you're just not explaining it correctly, but I cringe when I hear people talk about "steering" the snowboard with the back leg/tail.

Your snowboard is not a boat, and the tail of your board is not a rudder. You do not use the tail of the board to "steer".

IMO this is probably the #1 cause of caught edges, worldwide.
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thanks for all the advice!

i'm going to try changing my stance to +13/-8 and see how that goes. my high backs was +2 clicks on the forward lean right now so i think i'm going to try +3 clicks up front and go back to 0 clicks in the back. do you guys think this will be a good idea to help with the turns and hamstring pain?
One thing, your cartels do have quite a bit of forward lean already without the adjustment. In my experience forward lean in a good thing, helps keep the knees bent as well but when I learned I used the same settings front and rear. Might want to rotate your highbacks to be parallel or at least close to the edges. Just out of curiosity, how wide is your stance?

David brings up a good point too, I just stood here and mimicked the movements of "ruddering" and it does tense up my hamstring. Make sure you are stretching before you hit the snow as well.

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