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Old 04-03-2010, 11:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have time with Camrock?

Trying to learn more about peoples experience with this tech as an on snow demo doesn't look promising.

I keep trying to visualize the pros and cons of camrock vs rocker/camber and it's not proving easy.....

Fairly familiar with NS's R/C and how it feels, but I got nothing to compare camrock with to get an idea

Also heard YES! has axed the serrated edges in the 2011 line due to top sheet delam issues. That was one of the selling points for me, but durability is crucial.
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I guess my biggest question would be about the smaller cambered area. The way I understand it is that camber requires weight to work.... You load it up with weight and it naturally wants to push you back to go back into shape, which projects you better then reverse camber.

But with the camber being between the bindings, how can you load it up and make it work? My guess is that the camber in a Camrock is designed to aid with high speed stability, and high speed carving... Curious if I'm right and what YES has done to make the tips have proper pop
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During my research I found this video and review from another forum

Posted by Ironlung

After riding all types of boards this season, flat cambered, NS rockered, regular cambered, I have come to the conclusion that YES CAMrocker is for me.

I happened to pick up a new Yes 154cm deck from my local shop and I took it out for its virgin flight over the weekend. I really dig my new YES deck, it almost looks and feels like a mash up of old Burton UNINC shapes and flexes. Whatever they stuff inside the deck really gives it pop, I was crackin ollies over everything, noticeably higher than my old K2 WWW and Rome MOD. CAMrocker on the YES decks really feels great under the feet and seemed to help turn the stick with ease. Off all of the rockers I have tried, this CAMrocker felt like the best of all worlds, the CAMrocker's shape felt alot less drastic as compared to the Never Summer. The YES board was surprisingly playful and didn't take but one run to get used to. While I couldn't manipulate the YES I felt as if I could go as fast as I wanted through most everything. The YES deck kills it in the park too. It takes a bit of doing to scoot a good nosepress since the deck is stiffer than your normal jib stick, but it feels really solid once in any press and really lets you pop out/off. It slays jumps, moguls, logs, and everything else on the mountain. I have yet to uncover any serious cons to this deck.

I can see freeriders, weekend warriors, and park rats having fun on this same deck. I am really excited to see what the 2010/2011 YES line will ride like, I will probably buy a whole quiver.

Yes 154 (paid $399.99)

Fun factor;
Freeride 8.7/10
Freestyle 8.5/10

VIDEO WAS FILMED WITH MY IPHONE 3GS AND AN OWLE "bubo" FOLLOW CAM CADDY.

FOOK YES 154 review on Vimeo
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Eh basically it's what skies have been doing. When you load the camber it raises the rocker up. So think cambered board with a longer nose and tail that's raised up once you weight and unweight it.

The delam issues aren't just because of the serrated edges the ones without it have delamed, fuck my boy destroyed his after I resurrected it once.

If you're going reverse and looking for all mountain you're better off going with something like what NS has or a 3 stage rocker that's minimal. None of this cam rocker b.s. it just doesn't give you the added benefits of others in the alternate camber genre.

Here's my review on The Dudes. I'll be honest I don't see Yes lasting as a brand, which sucks they had a great concept. But their warranty department is a joke. Also from the rumblings I heard Yes, Auntti, Jones, and the NDK special projects or whatever it is from Nidecker are a last ditch effort for Nidecker to stay in business.
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Here's a thread I had asking some other questions recently: http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...nowboards.html
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Eh basically it's what skies have been doing. When you load the camber it raises the rocker up. So think cambered board with a longer nose and tail that's raised up once you weight and unweight it.
I understand that, but how can you load the camber when the end of the camber is under foot..... Seems like camber would need to go more on the tail to be loadable?

Maybe I'm miseducated on where the camber is ending on these YES boards, but the way I understand it is that it's camber between the bindings, reverse outside.

And right on Triple, I did a yes search prior to posting this and couldnt find a thread.
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And your thread didn't have any of the questions I'm asking Triple....

The crazy edges aren't on the 2011 sticks and that seems like the biggest part of that thread.

I'm wondering how the shit the camber is supposed to work when it's between the bindings.

And the warrantys for YES are supposedly to be handled with the shop you purchased it at, not directly with YES from what I've read. So maybe that's where some of the warranty confusion has come from, or maybe that's why it's being done this way now. Who knows
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Uh the Underground sent the deck back to Yes it sat in Washington for a month and came back with nothing fixed. I mean fuck is it too hard for someone to get a 5 dollar tube of epoxy and fix shit if they can't replace the deck? Let alone keeping a deck for a month when the guy uses it every day for work?

It's camber even if its in the middle it'll still be loaded and unloaded the same. All traditional camber has to be loaded which is what cam rocker is. The only benefit you get from it is that by attaching rocker to camber when you weight it the tips raise up. Otherwise it rides exactly the same.

Also where'd you hear the serrated edges were gone, from what I was told they would be there for next season it was just the production samples didn't have time to get it added to it.
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:+: ???? :+: ???? - YES

I see nothing about serrated edges in their 2011 catalog, and a buddy of mine who's shop is supposed to be carrying them next year said the same thing.... I dunno, could be wrong, or the edges may still be on a 156.5 but as far as I can tell, they're gone... Hope I'm wrong and the edges are on all their sizes as that's one of the key draws for me.
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:+: ???? :+: ???? - YES

I see nothing about serrated edges in their 2011 catalog, and a buddy of mine who's shop is supposed to be carrying them next year said the same thing.... I dunno, could be wrong, or the edges may still be on a 156.5 but as far as I can tell, they're gone... Hope I'm wrong and the edges are on all their sizes as that's one of the key draws for me.
In the catalog you see a "Multi" icon with a wavey pattern in the tech icons section for each board...I believe this means multi-edged. It's not a tech icon for the camrock since there is a separate icon for that.
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