Steamboat Pat Downs to ride the gondola? - Page 3 - Snowboarding Forum

little devil · 12-03-2010, 03:13 PM

This is retarded. Good luck finding my joints when I have all my gear on. That seems near impossible. With all ur gear and the amount of stash pockets some outerwear comes with, it seems retarded. Flask's would seem pretty damn easy to hide aswell with all ur gear on.

I would seriously doubt they'd pay cops to do that. They'd have better control putting in cameras. A camera or 2 in each gondola would do more to stop people from swigging or toking on the lift.

Not knowing how steam boat is set up. If you need to take the gondola to get up to the mountain, hide a flask in ur boots for the time being. In front of ur shin, loose laces, ur golden.

They'd rather u buy ur alcohol off of them.

**killclimbz** · 12-03-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by little devil

They'd rather u buy ur alcohol off of them.

That seems to be the bottom line.

I don't know about you guys, but I have never gotten drunk, much less a buzz off of a flask I've brought to the resort. Hell I bet their resort owned ski shops at the base sell flasks...

cifex · 12-03-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by killclimbz

They are also uniformed at clubs and bars that hire them to work the doors when they are off duty. That is pretty standard. Just because they are in uniform doesn't mean they were on duty. It definitely ups the intimidation factor no doubt.

Are you serious???! Pretty sure they don't allow anything that ridiculous in NY.

little devil · 12-03-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by killclimbz

They are also uniformed at clubs and bars that hire them to work the doors when they are off duty. That is pretty standard. Just because they are in uniform doesn't mean they were on duty. It definitely ups the intimidation factor no doubt.

Yea, how fucking bird is that eh. Around here they get concerts, sporting events and all that noise. To sit there, get paid good cash and stop a few fights. Usually by just kicking people out. I couldnt complain. The one cop I know say's he gets about an extra 8 bills bi weekly for his "off duty" pays. Thats golden.

cifex · 12-03-2010, 03:21 PM

I've got no interest in getting hammered on or off the slope. 1 beer with lunch occasionally.

cifex · 12-03-2010, 03:28 PM

Yea, its forbidden in all the counties around me.

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To establish employment regulations for members of the Department.

II. POLICY

Members of the Department may engage in outside employment except as otherwise regulated by this order.

III. DEFINITIONS

N/A

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V. RULES AND REGULATIONS

A. Outside Employment -- No member of the Department shall engage in outside employment that involves or appears to involve a conflict of interest. Nor shall any outside employment be undertaken on a member's regularly scheduled work time or while on sick or injury leave time. In those specific individual cases where the Police Commissioner deems that a member of the Service's outside employment is in some manner compromising the member's position as a sworn officer, the Police Commissioner may direct that the officer cease such employment.

1. Any member of the Service who intends to engage in or operate a business enterprise or employment other than service to the Suffolk County Police Department shall submit an Outside Employment Record form and is subject to the following provision as outlined in the present union contracts.

a. A member of the Service, no matter when he or she was employed, may engage in business and/or accept and be employed in an occupation off duty so long as such does not violate any provision of law or labor contractual agreement.

b. Use of Department issued uniforms and equipment (including service weapons) in conjunction with outside employment is not authorized.

2. Members of the Department who are attorneys will not participate in the legal defense of, or otherwise represent, clients who are involved in the following:

a. A criminal case.

b. Any legal action in which a client is charged with the violation of a criminal or other statute, enforced by police officers or peace officers.

c. Any litigation where the County of Suffolk or the Suffolk County Police Department is either a plaintiff or a defendant except if acting on behalf of the County and/or the Department.

3. Members of the Department who are engaged in outside employment which requires special licensing (e.g. firearms dealer, private investigator, security guard, electrician, etc.) must, in addition to the aforementioned departmental requirements, possess said license and abide by the restriction/regulations required by the particular license.

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**killclimbz** · 12-03-2010, 03:34 PM

Cifex, I am not sure how it works around you. Do you have cops at sporting events, concerts, the fair around there? If so, and according to your research than the tax payer is footing the bill for them to be there.

The way it's structured here is that if there is some sort of private (football game, club, concert) event and a police presence is needed, the owner of the event must hire them for their time to work said event. That way tax payers are not footing the bill for a private event. Sure there are exceptions and there are rules that have to be followed. The bottom line is that they are still police officers and can arrest you if it's justified (or not justified I suppose).

mallrat · 12-03-2010, 04:54 PM

Actually in most states they do. Or at least ID.

It's for arresting and gun purposes

cifex · 12-03-2010, 05:35 PM

I think an important difference is that at sporting events you have 20-60 thousand people crammed into a small area with alcohol involved and opposing sides. Also, frequently the stadiums are subsidized by public monies because they have a significant economic benefit to the area and its in the public interest to protect the investment as well as the taxpayer. There is no history of riots at ski resorts and the human density doesn't warrant protection from terrorism. The prime risk at a ski resort is personal injuries involving one or two people. That would be resolved through civil litigation between the parties. I haven't heard any statistics on drunkards killing or maiming fellow skiers with their recklessness being endemic at resorts.

As far as police at bars (in uniform), the main issue in my opinion is the potential conflict of interest. Also, the impression that is given having uniformed civil servants 'employed' at a private facility could make it a appear an company is 'above the law'.

BurtonAvenger · 12-03-2010, 05:36 PM

The Town of Breckenridge PD actually goes up on the mountain and patrols. They can only go the first 500 feet though after that their out of their jurisdiction. They've been issuing reckless endangerment tickets on people that are "speeding" in one case they actually came in the park and tried to ticket a guy that was hitting a feature. It's getting out of hand and of course Steamboat is going to try and swing some bullshit on it. But the truth is these resorts are all "what about the children" yeah well you know what those of us you're busting we're someones children too you fucks. Keystone is a prime example of that anyone that knows about their douche bag ski patrol and how they cover shit up knows what I'm talking about.

12-03-2010, 03:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
little devil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 417	This is retarded. Good luck finding my joints when I have all my gear on. That seems near impossible. With all ur gear and the amount of stash pockets some outerwear comes with, it seems retarded. Flask's would seem pretty damn easy to hide aswell with all ur gear on. I would seriously doubt they'd pay cops to do that. They'd have better control putting in cameras. A camera or 2 in each gondola would do more to stop people from swigging or toking on the lift. Not knowing how steam boat is set up. If you need to take the gondola to get up to the mountain, hide a flask in ur boots for the time being. In front of ur shin, loose laces, ur golden. They'd rather u buy ur alcohol off of them. __________________ "It's so hood to participate in a sport that costs thousands of dollars a year and the TechNine crew is just here to remind us of that" - Bakesale

12-03-2010, 03:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
cifex -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,933	I've got no interest in getting hammered on or off the slope. 1 beer with lunch occasionally. __________________

12-03-2010, 05:35 PM	#29 (permalink)
cifex -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,933	I think an important difference is that at sporting events you have 20-60 thousand people crammed into a small area with alcohol involved and opposing sides. Also, frequently the stadiums are subsidized by public monies because they have a significant economic benefit to the area and its in the public interest to protect the investment as well as the taxpayer. There is no history of riots at ski resorts and the human density doesn't warrant protection from terrorism. The prime risk at a ski resort is personal injuries involving one or two people. That would be resolved through civil litigation between the parties. I haven't heard any statistics on drunkards killing or maiming fellow skiers with their recklessness being endemic at resorts. As far as police at bars (in uniform), the main issue in my opinion is the potential conflict of interest. Also, the impression that is given having uniformed civil servants 'employed' at a private facility could make it a appear an company is 'above the law'. __________________ Last edited by cifex; 12-03-2010 at 05:40 PM.

12-03-2010, 05:36 PM	#30 (permalink)
BurtonAvenger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mountains Posts: 8,029	The Town of Breckenridge PD actually goes up on the mountain and patrols. They can only go the first 500 feet though after that their out of their jurisdiction. They've been issuing reckless endangerment tickets on people that are "speeding" in one case they actually came in the park and tried to ticket a guy that was hitting a feature. It's getting out of hand and of course Steamboat is going to try and swing some bullshit on it. But the truth is these resorts are all "what about the children" yeah well you know what those of us you're busting we're someones children too you fucks. Keystone is a prime example of that anyone that knows about their douche bag ski patrol and how they cover shit up knows what I'm talking about. __________________ Angry Snowboarder Because someone has to call it how they see it!

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12-03-2010, 03:34 PM	#27 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,169	Cifex, I am not sure how it works around you. Do you have cops at sporting events, concerts, the fair around there? If so, and according to your research than the tax payer is footing the bill for them to be there. The way it's structured here is that if there is some sort of private (football game, club, concert) event and a police presence is needed, the owner of the event must hire them for their time to work said event. That way tax payers are not footing the bill for a private event. Sure there are exceptions and there are rules that have to be followed. The bottom line is that they are still police officers and can arrest you if it's justified (or not justified I suppose).

12-03-2010, 04:54 PM	#28 (permalink)
mallrat Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 105	Actually in most states they do. Or at least ID. It's for arresting and gun purposes