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JeffreyCH 12-03-2010 04:33 PM

Tune shop questions
I just realized that there is no tune shop anyplace around my local hill, not even at the hill itself. The town close to it is pretty small, so retail space would probably be cheap. I'm going to scout around after my patrol meeting Sat. I've been a business owner for years, however this time of year is always very slow for me. Most of my main operations are shut down right now. I could probably fund starting a tune shop, but I have a few questions if anyone knows.

How long does it take to hand wax a board after you get good at it? I've never done it, just watched a lot of videos. I'll do mine as soon as the wax I had put on it in Co. last year wears out.

Wax machines, are they that much faster? Is the quality any different, better or worse? How much do one of those cost?

I assume that waxing, tuning, and repairing skis are essentially the same as snowboards?

I was also kind of thinking about a mobile deal. I have an enclosed equipment trailer and generators. Any down side to this? The reason I thought of this is because the season is short, and keeping a shop open, or retaining the space in the off season would be hard. The main advantage of a storefront is I could possibly get into retail also.

I'm thinking all I really need to start is some vices, a couple sets of scrapers, irons, edge files, wax, p-tex, some kids to work there for 8 bucks an hour so I can goof off at the hill most of the day lol.

Any thoughts, pros, cons, words of wisdom or info would be most appreciated.

killclimbz 12-03-2010 04:42 PM

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Waxing doesn't take that long. < 30 minutes. The longest part is the scraping.

I would recommend a commercial wax applier. Ironing it on works great but if you are dealing in a larger volume, it'll be worth your time.

You'll need a shop Ptex gun.

Finally, if you are going full tune, you'd want to have base grind equipment. That shit ain't cheap. The rest of the stuff is not that expensive in comparison.

Not sure if you really have the business out there to go this big or not.

oneshot 12-03-2010 04:57 PM

if the iron is heated already, 5 minutes.

i dont scrape either. lasts longer,. its a bit squirly but when all u do is ride powder.. all u need. helps when u get to flast and need to keep your speed.. this is besides the point and question tho.

In a real scenario running a biz.. u can easily churn a board out every 5 to 10 minutes with one crappy iron u bought at a thrift store if all you're doing is waxing, full tune and wax with a edger tool 15 m inutes tops.. i used to be a service tech and sales geek at a shop yrs ago. we had the rad grindrite machine and waxer.. i could do full tunes and wax in under 10 minutes..

now base grinding? well u need a machine $$$$

basic tunes and wax tho? knock'em dead all day long $20-$30 a pop at 10 minutes a piece once you're good.

JeffreyCH 12-03-2010 05:02 PM

I think I would have decent volume, Omaha is about 10-15 mins away. I noticed last year that hardly anyone was on rental equipment. I'm thinking more towards just offering basic services and see how it goes. Any links to base grind equipment(suppliers/ manufactures) , google search was kind of worthless. Would I really need one to offer basic repairs and waxes? How expensive is expensive(ballpark)? I have about 4g play money for the winter, so that would be my start up budget. I did email a wax machine manufacturer to get a price list. Any recommendations on brands, certain machines, features to look for? Know any place to buy used stuff like this?

BurtonAvenger 12-03-2010 05:12 PM

You do realize to get the machinery you're looking at some real cash. Honestly man hand filing a customers edge is more of a pain then doing it on a machine plus you really need to have an eye for detail. Most every shop uses wintersteiger or grindrite it's the same company, Montana is independent.

oneshot 12-03-2010 05:15 PM

a base grinder is not needed to do basic repairs and tuning.. not at all..
if you have never used ptex and done base repairs theres a little bit of a learning curve but u being a guy of construction type skills i'm sure it would be a walk in the park to learn.. shit. light ptex, twist and drip :) u just want a clear ptex bas qwith out the black burnt material in it

a wax machine would be rad..

i know nothing of prices and brands.. i worked in a shop that had it all and i got a buddy now who makes custom snowboards and has a "Grindrite" base grinder in his garage.. i dont even go that far. i wax, no scrape and go, when the board breaks i throw it in a pile, grab another one and repeat.. some people care alot about there board and think the better its always tuned the better they will ride.. for your sake Jeffrey, hope all the kids in your area think opposite of me :)

oneshot 12-03-2010 05:23 PM

anyone can tune a boards edges with one of these.. DAKINE Edge Tuner Tool: Sports & Outdoors

i had a similar one for yrs after i stopped using a flat file. FAST, EASY, Accurate.
this shit aint rocket science..

get a feel for what the person likes to ride and then tune.. chances are u got a bunch of rail riding kids in your area. in that case ride there board towed behind a car down the asphalt for a couple minutes and it should be set for rail riding.. haha

JeffreyCH 12-07-2010 12:28 AM

Well, I am still kicking this idea around. I spotted a great location over the weekend, right on the main road going to the hill. Nice store front facing the road, visible glass front, and good signage. The guy called me back today, 350 a month, not to bad. My main problem is what to do with it over the 7-9 month off season?? Maybe get into the retail side, buy and sell used gear?

I'm gonna do some more snooping around at the hill, and actually pay attention to what people are skiing/riding. Ask some questions from the people I chat with during the day. As far as I can tell there is no place any where around here that tunes and waxes (imagine that it's the middle of fucking no where :laugh:)

I can start with basic tools and equipment for around 1200-1500 or less depending on what kind of advertising I do. I would be stuck with a 6 month lease though. That would total 2100 so my 4k budget would cover it. I'm going to keep looking into this, any more tips or advice would be great. Thanks

mtmgiants 12-07-2010 01:03 AM

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wrathfuldeity 12-07-2010 08:25 AM

idk but I'd think a big panel belt sander for base grinds, like they use in a cabinet shop would work. But base grinds are rarely required. Alot of shops around here do mtn bike, bmx and skate or some other sporty outdoor business off season.

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