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Old 12-14-2010, 10:56 AM   #101 (permalink)
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When I was in Jackson Hole I ate lunch in the parking lot and I was amazed at the number of people that came up to me looking to buy the ticket. I didn't leave early, but I would have given it to a kid looking to ride for an hour or two. Is it wrong, yes, but I remember being young and broke.
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:43 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Damn Biggs, do you work for vail resorts?

Selling your ticket benifits both riders, the one selling the ticket gets some money back for what they didnt use that day, and the other person gets a discounted rate for only riding part of the day. Giving it away is even better.

Do you think its fair for resorts to charge $10-20 less for a half day ticket than a full day? I dont, I think its BS, half day should be half price or close to it. I payed $80 for a half day at vail once which is completely absurd.

I used to go to a ski area about an hour away from my house in high school and try to get tickets for the last hour or two so me and my friends could ride when we didnt have money. Most people were happy to give their ticket away, although one person called us A-holes for trying to get passes when they were leaving, lol.

Last season I was at keystone and was asked by two guys if they we were leaving and if they could have our passes since they were tight on cash, me and my buddy gave them the tickets for free.

This whole argument is based on opinion, but personally, I want everyone who is interested in snowboarding or skiing to do it as much as possible and as cheaply as possible. I like helping people out and if someone helps me out its great too.

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Old 12-14-2010, 01:43 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Is it wrong, yes, but I remember being young and broke.
I don't think it's wrong. What I do think is wrong is that resorts restrict me from selling MY remaining time.
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:06 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Damn Biggs, do you work for vail resorts?

Selling your ticket benifits both riders, the one selling the ticket gets some money back for what they didnt use that day, and the other person gets a discounted rate for only riding part of the day. Giving it away is even better.

Do you think its fair for resorts to charge $10-20 less for a half day ticket than a full day? I dont, I think its BS, half day should be half price or close to it. I payed $80 for a half day at vail once which is completely absurd.

I used to go to a ski area about an hour away from my house in high school and try to get tickets for the last hour or two so me and my friends could ride when we didnt have money. Most people were happy to give their ticket away, although one person called us A-holes for trying to get passes when they were leaving, lol.

Last season I was at keystone and was asked by two guys if they we were leaving and if they could have our passes since they were tight on cash, me and my buddy gave them the tickets for free.

This whole argument is based on opinion, but personally, I want everyone who is interested in snowboarding or skiing to do it as much as possible and as cheaply as possible. I like helping people out and if someone helps me out its great too.

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No, I don't work for Vail Resorts.

Whether I think ticket prices are absurd matters neither here nor there (but since you asked, yes I believe ticket prices are absurd in their entirety. Whether it's a half day ticket for 3/4 the price of a full day ticket, or just the basic price of a full day ticket, they're incredibly high. Alas, when something like skiing or snowboarding is more in line with people with a bit of wealth, you're going to have those higher prices.)

I also wish people would stop looking at me like I'm championing to abolish selling your tickets and send you all to hell -- as I said to Extremo, in a capitalist society, he has found people willing to pay HIM for his tickets if he leaves early -- I couldn't care less about it. Until it affects MY ticket prices, he can sell them by the bundle. I don't personally do it and wont do it, but he's free to do as he wishes.

What I do have a problem with is people's silly justifications as to why they do it and who they are/aren't hurting. If you want to do it, do it -- I couldn't care less. But at least understand who you are potentially hurting and the ramifications of those actions as well as the legality in what you're doing.

Again -- if you're cheap and want to bum tickets, bum them. If you're looking to capitalize on selling a ticket, sell it. But don't respond to the original poster's question like there's no way you're hurting anyone in the process and it's totally legit because you have the right to do so. You might be, and it isn't, and you dont.
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:08 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Season pass here....but GIVE the frickin ticket away...

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Old 12-14-2010, 02:17 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Do you think its fair for resorts to charge $10-20 less for a half day ticket than a full day? I dont, I think its BS, half day should be half price or close to it. I payed $80 for a half day at vail once which is completely absurd.
"Fairness" has nothing to do with prices, especially of nonessential, luxury goods (like skiing/snowboarding). There are really only two relevant questions:
  1. Is it rational for the seller to charge that price?
  2. Is it rational for the buyer to pay that price?
The answer to question 1 appears to be Yes. That is, while I don't like high lift ticket prices any more than the next customer, I certainly can understand why they are set the way they are. Resorts probably know that an inexpensive half-day ticket will cause many customers to conclude that 4-5 hours are sufficient, and to buy the half-day ticket instead of the full-day. Result: lost revenue. On the other hand, an expensive half-day ticket will cause most of those customers to say, "Oh well, might as well buy the full-day ticket because it's not that much more." Result: increased revenue. And offering a modest discount may mollify those few customers who absolutely will not buy at all without some sort of price cut for the half-day.

This leaves us with question 2. If you don't think it's rational to pay a particular price for a lift ticket, you should not do so. But what we have in this thread is people arguing that because it doesn't make sense for them to pay what they regard as a high price, other means of acquiring access to the resort are justified.
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:29 PM   #107 (permalink)
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From everyone's arguments, it seems like the conclusion to the thread is:

1. Poaching tickets from a business stance is wrong, and probably from a moral stance too.

2. Regardless people are still going to poach tickets, just like people are going to download music albums for free. Some excuses are better then others, but I really don't think any argument is fully justifiable, so if your going to do it, don't try and fool yourself into thinking your the hero and they're the bad guys. I have been guilty of causing media sources of losing revenue because of downloading, however I don't try and justify it, I will simply admit my fault.

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Old 12-14-2010, 02:32 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Whether I think ticket prices are absurd matters neither here nor there (but since you asked, yes I believe ticket prices are absurd in their entirety. Whether it's a half day ticket for 3/4 the price of a full day ticket, or just the basic price of a full day ticket, they're incredibly high. Alas, when something like skiing or snowboarding is more in line with people with a bit of wealth, you're going to have those higher prices.)
I think of lift ticket prices as very high when I reflect on having to pay them myself. (I started a thread here about the appearance of the $100 lift ticket.) But when I compare them to other prices in the recreation/vacation industry, I can't say that they appear outrageous. I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, but the price of a one-day adult ticket to Walt Disney World is now $87.33:
Tickets | Passes | Walt Disney World Resort

Universal Orlando is at $82.00 for the same thing:
Tickets and information for the Universal Orlando Resort

Isn't the quality of the experience one gets at a good ski resort comparable, at the very least, to what is available at a major theme park? It's not surprising that these prices tend to rise in concert. And speaking of concerts, check out the prices for musical events, games in major league sports, etc. They're all high.

IMO, one of the reasons for high lift ticket prices is that big resorts have two main classes of customers: locals and tourists. High prices force the locals into purchasing season passes, enabling the resorts to monopolize their ancillary spending for the entire season (food, parking, impulse purchases of gear, etc.). Tourists are so worried about travel costs that lift ticket prices don't intimidate them as much; also, the tickets can be rolled into elaborate packages to reduce or disguise their impact.
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IMO, one of the reasons for high lift ticket prices is that big resorts have two main classes of customers: locals and tourists. High prices force the locals into purchasing season passes, enabling the resorts to monopolize their ancillary spending for the entire season (food, parking, impulse purchases of gear, etc.). Tourists are so worried about travel costs that lift ticket prices don't intimidate them as much; also, the tickets can be rolled into elaborate packages to reduce or disguise their impact.
Small resorts/ski areas also have the two classes. However, the factor is how the hill is managed financially...lots have leveraged their ass, have corporate expectations of a certain profit margin and some are in the position of having to charge high prices just to keep afloat...btw they would charge more if the market would handle it. The little local hill is fairly financially conservative, have not leveraged their asses; passes and daily tickets are reasonable. I'd imagine, season passes are somewhat like the seasonal bank loan to get things going and daily tickets cover the operational expenses and net profit for capital improvements.

I consider a season pass as my expensive entertainment; and choose to do that instead of going to games, dizzy world and a gym memberships and I think its a heck of a deal considering fun/hour rate.
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I think of lift ticket prices as very high when I reflect on having to pay them myself. (I started a thread here about the appearance of the $100 lift ticket.) But when I compare them to other prices in the recreation/vacation industry, I can't say that they appear outrageous. I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, but the price of a one-day adult ticket to Walt Disney World is now $87.33:
Tickets | Passes | Walt Disney World Resort

Universal Orlando is at $82.00 for the same thing:
Tickets and information for the Universal Orlando Resort

Isn't the quality of the experience one gets at a good ski resort comparable, at the very least, to what is available at a major theme park? It's not surprising that these prices tend to rise in concert. And speaking of concerts, check out the prices for musical events, games in major league sports, etc. They're all high.

IMO, one of the reasons for high lift ticket prices is that big resorts have two main classes of customers: locals and tourists. High prices force the locals into purchasing season passes, enabling the resorts to monopolize their ancillary spending for the entire season (food, parking, impulse purchases of gear, etc.). Tourists are so worried about travel costs that lift ticket prices don't intimidate them as much; also, the tickets can be rolled into elaborate packages to reduce or disguise their impact.
Oh I'm fully aware of my return on investment in terms of enjoyment, but the high prices are still not enjoyable I'm in agreement with you that the overall 'what you get for what you pay' is vastly better than some of the things you listed -- I could have bought a second house for the amount of 8 dollar beers I've had at Gillette Stadium in Massachusetts stack on a ridiculous ticket price to begin with and you've got 3.5 hours of fun compared to 8 hours of skiing/snowboarding for slightly less.

Edit: and good lord -- I'd hate to think when I have kids what it's going to cost to get me, the wife, and the kid(s) through Disney. I haven't been there in 15+ years but 80+ bucks per person just to get in is going to be brutal.

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