I came home early the other day and this guy comes up to me and asks me if he could buy my lift ticket for $10.
I think it's wrong to cheat someone out of income, even if you can get away with it. You can justify it all kinds of ways, and say it doesn't happen enough to financially affect the resort, or that the pass is already paid for, but in the end you're still causing a loss of income for the business by allowing some else to not pay their contribution. At month's end it affects the profit & loss statement. Hypothetically if three people in one day sold their pass in the parking lot, at about $70 per full price pass the resort did not make $210 that they would have. That lost income could have employed a lift operator, patrol, maintenance guy, ski school instructor, or kitchen worker for the day. There are worse offenses in the world but it's still cheating the business (theft of services?).Do other people feel it's 'ethically' wrong?
First, why would anyone venture to a hill to bum some riding time and if they cant, they leave? You've obviously got enough money and time for the travel, why not just fork over the money for a pass?That's a silly way to look at it. There is a potential loss of income ONLY if you assume that person would have paid for a lift ticket. Thus they only lose out on potential income. For example, If I failed to acquire a lift ticket I would just go home. Thus the mountain is not losing out on my income, because it would've never existed in the first place.
I obviously understand that if everyone did this resorts would go bankrupt. However, this is not the same as stealing (where a person actually causes a loss of income).
Or a another way to look at it is: The resort is making billions of dollars a year, to them $70 is nothing. To me $70 is a LOT.
This is horrendous thinking. If you 'fuck those mother fuckers' do you honestly believe that the CEO and owners are going to say 'well damn, we're losing money -- we better pull out of our own pockets to get this hill out of the red and back into the black!' The reality is, if enough tickets are stolen, they lay off/cut the pay/reduce services provided by Average Joe. YOU go from being the 'hero' (why else would you want to 'fuck those mother fuckers'?) who's 'damning the man' to being the reason why Sally the Liftie is no longer employed.for the most part ski resorts are owned by mega rich people. I don't feel bad for them. like most American corporations, the money is all funneled to the top. with the ceo's and owners raking in millions upon millions while the average joes working there like lifties and ski patrol are working for minimum wage. fuck those mothr fuckers. steal every penny from them that you can.
Two completely different circumstances that are not on equal footing at all. A car is a good -- you bought it, it is now yours. You're free to do what you want with it. Sell it after 5 miles, 50 miles, or 500,000 miles. Volkswagen wont care -- they've already sold the car to the dealership. The dealership wont care, because they've already sold the car to you.Here's how it works. Someone buys a ticket that's good for the entire day. What I want to do with my fucking ticket is my fucking business. The ticket is good till it expires and while it still has value I'll sell it for whatever I can get someone to buy it for.
I buy a car. It's good for a few hudred thousand miles...Should I not sell it while it's still in good condition because it might hurt Volkswagens bottom line?
Are you telling me if you park at a meter and there is still an hour left on it you will plug in some more coins because that space was rented to someone else for that allotted time?First, why would anyone venture to a hill to bum some riding time and if they cant, they leave? You've obviously got enough money and time for the travel, why not just fork over the money for a pass?
Second, it is stealing -- it's a theft of services.
Third, as has been said, most resorts are barely making money at all. I would wager that many, in the economy we've had for the past couple years, are actually losing money. Multiple people bumming lift tickets does not equal 70 bucks -- it's much more and will just continue to grow. You know full well that if you can be a bum and get a ticket for free-20 bucks, you're not going to keep that a secret. You're going to tell your friends to try it out too. Now multiply that by every other bum out there.
This is horrendous thinking. If you 'fuck those mother fuckers' do you honestly believe that the CEO and owners are going to say 'well damn, we're losing money -- we better pull out of our own pockets to get this hill out of the red and back into the black!' The reality is, if enough tickets are stolen, they lay off/cut the pay/reduce services provided by Average Joe. YOU go from being the 'hero' (why else would you want to 'fuck those mother fuckers'?) who's 'damning the man' to being the reason why Sally the Liftie is no longer employed.
Two completely different circumstances that are not on equal footing at all. A car is a good -- you bought it, it is now yours. You're free to do what you want with it. Sell it after 5 miles, 50 miles, or 500,000 miles. Volkswagen wont care -- they've already sold the car to the dealership. The dealership wont care, because they've already sold the car to you.
A lift ticket is essentially a sticker that says you can RENT the hill's facilities and services for a specified time period. Whereas you own the car after buying it, you do not own the facilities and services the hill provides after you buy your lift ticket. YOUR lift ticket allows YOU to RENT their services for the time permitted. It does not allow Jim in the parking lot to use the time that the hill allotted to you. YOU rented their services, if Jim wants to use those same services, he'll have to rent it as well.
Think of it as buying a massage -- you've paid for a 1 hour massage from Sarah. After 30 minutes, you have to go -- so on the way out you say to someone walking in 'Hey! I just paid for an hour massage from Sarah but only used 30 minutes so go on in, lay down, and she'll give you a 30 minute massage for free because I already paid for an hour!' You paid for your 1 hour massage, but do you think Sarah gives a shit whether you only used 30 minutes? Do you think she'll be down with giving someone else the remainder of the hour long services for free? She'll tell the person walking in to get fucked.
Services do not equal goods.