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Do you guys give your Lift Ticket away?

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#1 ·
I came home early the other day and this guy comes up to me and asks me if he could buy my lift ticket for $10.
 
#8 ·
I won't sell and won't buy but I'll give it away for free n the occassion I leave early. two years ago at loon a lady offered me her clipped ticket turns out the guy behind her was a mtn rep listening in, I said no and the rep gave me 2 free tickets. lesson learned
 
#9 ·
I always sell my tickets...I've sold them for up to $20. Esp for the early season shit shows around here. Waterville was charging $39 early season for 3 shitty trails and around 12:00 about 50,000 people are there. That's when I peace out and sell that shiz. 4 hrs of riding for $19 aint a bad deal.
 
#11 ·
I own a season pass for Loon, Sunday River, and Sugarloaf. However, when I ride other places I ALWAYS ask people leaving early for their lift tickets. Some people will just give it to me, others will offer to sell it for 5 or 10 bucks. I can't even remember the last time I paid anything more than $10 for a lift ticket. I don't really enjoy doing this, but am too poor to pay full price.
 
#20 · (Edited)
Do other people feel it's 'ethically' wrong?
I think it's wrong to cheat someone out of income, even if you can get away with it. You can justify it all kinds of ways, and say it doesn't happen enough to financially affect the resort, or that the pass is already paid for, but in the end you're still causing a loss of income for the business by allowing some else to not pay their contribution. At month's end it affects the profit & loss statement. Hypothetically if three people in one day sold their pass in the parking lot, at about $70 per full price pass the resort did not make $210 that they would have. That lost income could have employed a lift operator, patrol, maintenance guy, ski school instructor, or kitchen worker for the day. There are worse offenses in the world but it's still cheating the business (theft of services?).

I hope that those people who buy/sell their tickets never complain about shabby facilities, poor maintenance, lack of services, etc.
 
#22 ·
That's a silly way to look at it. There is a potential loss of income ONLY if you assume that person would have paid for a lift ticket. Thus they only lose out on potential income. For example, If I failed to acquire a lift ticket I would just go home. Thus the mountain is not losing out on my income, because it would've never existed in the first place.

I obviously understand that if everyone did this resorts would go bankrupt. However, this is not the same as stealing (where a person actually causes a loss of income).

Or a another way to look at it is: The resort is making billions of dollars a year, to them $70 is nothing. To me $70 is a LOT.
 
#18 ·
I have never done this.
But if you are leaving early and you paid for unused time then the mountain made more money. Your just using the whole value of your ticket by selling/giving to someone else.
Other side we all know the mountain would have made more had the buyer bought a ticket and you didn't use all your time.
I"m good with the notion of selling the unused time, NEVER have, but good with it.

-Slyder
 
#19 ·
I remember at Mt. Hood during the Summer they actually made you put your ticket on a new hanger, and if it wasn't on a new hanger it was considered invalid. Obviously they started having a problem with people selling/giving tickets away.

I'm a season pass holder, so the only time I ever buy tickets is if I'm at some other resort, which I can't really afford after buying a season pass.
 
#27 ·
Question from somebody in the midwest. Here our passes are stickers that go on metal hangers. Once they are on you can't get them off with out ruining them. Same thing for the other place I've been and they check to make sure they aren't easy to remove. What are the major resorts using that makes it easy to sell them?
 
#29 ·
for the most part ski resorts are owned by mega rich people. I don't feel bad for them. like most American corporations, the money is all funneled to the top. with the ceo's and owners raking in millions upon millions while the average joes working there like lifties and ski patrol are working for minimum wage. fuck those mothr fuckers. steal every penny from them that you can.
 
#31 ·
Here's how it works. Someone buys a ticket that's good for the entire day. What I want to do with my fucking ticket is my fucking business. The ticket is good till it expires and while it still has value I'll sell it for whatever I can get someone to buy it for.

I buy a car. It's good for a few hudred thousand miles...Should I not sell it while it's still in good condition because it might hurt Volkswagens bottom line?
 
#33 · (Edited)
That's a silly way to look at it. There is a potential loss of income ONLY if you assume that person would have paid for a lift ticket. Thus they only lose out on potential income. For example, If I failed to acquire a lift ticket I would just go home. Thus the mountain is not losing out on my income, because it would've never existed in the first place.

I obviously understand that if everyone did this resorts would go bankrupt. However, this is not the same as stealing (where a person actually causes a loss of income).

Or a another way to look at it is: The resort is making billions of dollars a year, to them $70 is nothing. To me $70 is a LOT.
First, why would anyone venture to a hill to bum some riding time and if they cant, they leave? You've obviously got enough money and time for the travel, why not just fork over the money for a pass?

Second, it is stealing -- it's a theft of services.

Third, as has been said, most resorts are barely making money at all. I would wager that many, in the economy we've had for the past couple years, are actually losing money. Multiple people bumming lift tickets does not equal 70 bucks -- it's much more and will just continue to grow. You know full well that if you can be a bum and get a ticket for free-20 bucks, you're not going to keep that a secret. You're going to tell your friends to try it out too. Now multiply that by every other bum out there.

for the most part ski resorts are owned by mega rich people. I don't feel bad for them. like most American corporations, the money is all funneled to the top. with the ceo's and owners raking in millions upon millions while the average joes working there like lifties and ski patrol are working for minimum wage. fuck those mothr fuckers. steal every penny from them that you can.
This is horrendous thinking. If you 'fuck those mother fuckers' do you honestly believe that the CEO and owners are going to say 'well damn, we're losing money -- we better pull out of our own pockets to get this hill out of the red and back into the black!' The reality is, if enough tickets are stolen, they lay off/cut the pay/reduce services provided by Average Joe. YOU go from being the 'hero' (why else would you want to 'fuck those mother fuckers'?) who's 'damning the man' to being the reason why Sally the Liftie is no longer employed.

Here's how it works. Someone buys a ticket that's good for the entire day. What I want to do with my fucking ticket is my fucking business. The ticket is good till it expires and while it still has value I'll sell it for whatever I can get someone to buy it for.

I buy a car. It's good for a few hudred thousand miles...Should I not sell it while it's still in good condition because it might hurt Volkswagens bottom line?
Two completely different circumstances that are not on equal footing at all. A car is a good -- you bought it, it is now yours. You're free to do what you want with it. Sell it after 5 miles, 50 miles, or 500,000 miles. Volkswagen wont care -- they've already sold the car to the dealership. The dealership wont care, because they've already sold the car to you.

A lift ticket is essentially a sticker that says you can RENT the hill's facilities and services for a specified time period. Whereas you own the car after buying it, you do not own the facilities and services the hill provides after you buy your lift ticket. YOUR lift ticket allows YOU to RENT their services for the time permitted. It does not allow Jim in the parking lot to use the time that the hill allotted to you. YOU rented their services, if Jim wants to use those same services, he'll have to rent it as well.

Think of it as buying a massage -- you've paid for a 1 hour massage from Sarah. After 30 minutes, you have to go -- so on the way out you say to someone walking in 'Hey! I just paid for an hour massage from Sarah but only used 30 minutes so go on in, lay down, and she'll give you a 30 minute massage for free because I already paid for an hour!' You paid for your 1 hour massage, but do you think Sarah gives a shit whether you only used 30 minutes? Do you think she'll be down with giving someone else the remainder of the hour long services for free? She'll tell the person walking in to get fucked.

Services do not equal goods.
 
#35 ·
First, why would anyone venture to a hill to bum some riding time and if they cant, they leave? You've obviously got enough money and time for the travel, why not just fork over the money for a pass?

Second, it is stealing -- it's a theft of services.

Third, as has been said, most resorts are barely making money at all. I would wager that many, in the economy we've had for the past couple years, are actually losing money. Multiple people bumming lift tickets does not equal 70 bucks -- it's much more and will just continue to grow. You know full well that if you can be a bum and get a ticket for free-20 bucks, you're not going to keep that a secret. You're going to tell your friends to try it out too. Now multiply that by every other bum out there.



This is horrendous thinking. If you 'fuck those mother fuckers' do you honestly believe that the CEO and owners are going to say 'well damn, we're losing money -- we better pull out of our own pockets to get this hill out of the red and back into the black!' The reality is, if enough tickets are stolen, they lay off/cut the pay/reduce services provided by Average Joe. YOU go from being the 'hero' (why else would you want to 'fuck those mother fuckers'?) who's 'damning the man' to being the reason why Sally the Liftie is no longer employed.



Two completely different circumstances that are not on equal footing at all. A car is a good -- you bought it, it is now yours. You're free to do what you want with it. Sell it after 5 miles, 50 miles, or 500,000 miles. Volkswagen wont care -- they've already sold the car to the dealership. The dealership wont care, because they've already sold the car to you.

A lift ticket is essentially a sticker that says you can RENT the hill's facilities and services for a specified time period. Whereas you own the car after buying it, you do not own the facilities and services the hill provides after you buy your lift ticket. YOUR lift ticket allows YOU to RENT their services for the time permitted. It does not allow Jim in the parking lot to use the time that the hill allotted to you. YOU rented their services, if Jim wants to use those same services, he'll have to rent it as well.

Think of it as buying a massage -- you've paid for a 1 hour massage from Sarah. After 30 minutes, you have to go -- so on the way out you say to someone walking in 'Hey! I just paid for an hour massage from Sarah but only used 30 minutes so go on in, lay down, and she'll give you a 30 minute massage for free because I already paid for an hour!' You paid for your 1 hour massage, but do you think Sarah gives a shit whether you only used 30 minutes? Do you think she'll be down with giving someone else the remainder of the hour long services for free? She'll tell the person walking in to get fucked.

Services do not equal goods.
Are you telling me if you park at a meter and there is still an hour left on it you will plug in some more coins because that space was rented to someone else for that allotted time?
I see free ski passes more like a parking meter with some time left on it. No one is going to lose out on any money if you give your pass away, in fact the mountain might make some more money if the person taking the pass buys something to eat or drink, it will make more money if the the pass giver also had a bite to eat. The way I see if your replacing one body with another. I know technically the pass is not transferable but it's sort of like stealing a loaf of bread to feed your family where the loaf if the pass and your family is you need to snowboard.
 
#34 ·
My friend in Whistler rode over 100 days never paying for a pass, he just asked people leaving in the parking lot. I'm amazed people pay the $100 to ride there and take off before noon.

I have no problem doing the same thing, not that I ever have. These days with no seasons pass and only like maybe 5 days of riding available to me you bet I'm going to be there from open to close so no selling my ticket or finding one.

But the big resorts all around here make it so easy how they switched from the metal and sticker lift passes to the plastic paper stuff with the cable tie.
 
#38 ·
Not all resorts are raking in huge revenue and enjoying huge subsequent profits. Right now there are a lot of resorts that are merely treading water until the economy recovers and ski-vacations become an option for more people. My resort is off the radar and just doesn't get the foot-traffic the big PNW resorts get because of it's location, (and the fact that the population around here is very small, and Idaho's average income is low as hell).

While you can bitch about sticking it to the man all you want, the reality is that the whole concept is juvenile and you honestly don't know who your screwing.

Take for example, let's say you are a waiter in a restaurant. You get paid $3.50 an hour + tips. Tonight is super slow and you only get to wait one table. You find out that the restaurant patrons didn't leave a tip because they are stingy motherfuckers, meaning that during your 6-hour shift you made $21.00. Pretty fucked up huh?

Well it's the same concept as what is being discussed here. The point is that you can try and justify it all you want but if the same thing happened to you, you wouldn't be too happy about it.

Treat others like you want to be treated.
 
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