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Old 12-25-2010, 11:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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it seems obvious that the mom and kid were hidden by the hill's terrain, if the boarder saw them miles away he would've easily dodged them. who would purposefully run into people at high speeds? as for the going to fast for your skill level. when it comes to stopping, it's purely physics. you can be the best boarder in the world but you can't stop from, for example, 30mph to 0 in 5 ft.
The boarder could have lost control on ice above them and careened into them. Last week we read about knuckleheads purposely skiing or riding way too close to other people. I'm not saying it wasn't caused by the mom and kid, but let's not blame them yet without knowing much of anything here. All we know so far is that the mom and kid were stopped on a "difficult" run and the man collided into them.
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None of the articles I've read so far say much about the circumstances other than the run has a "difficult" rating, which doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I don't know how much the kid's age or her mother's parenting skills should factor into this accident, as the mother in this story is an adult and she got clobbered too.
Just linking to what I'd read. Also not specifically using this incident to question the mothers parenting skills, just stating general observations of years of living in resort towns. Hell this incident could be like what I saw yesterday on peak 9 at Breck. Watched a new snowboarder pointing the run and catch his edge and take out a whole family full on double ejection for the main person he hit and then took out 2 other people. Dude didn't know how to ride but just pointed it and it was a wide open run there weren't any rollers or anything.
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Old 12-25-2010, 11:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Just linking to what I'd read. Also not specifically using this incident to question the mothers parenting skills, just stating general observations of years of living in resort towns. Hell this incident could be like what I saw yesterday on peak 9 at Breck. Watched a new snowboarder pointing the run and catch his edge and take out a whole family full on double ejection for the main person he hit and then took out 2 other people. Dude didn't know how to ride but just pointed it and it was a wide open run there weren't any rollers or anything.
When the hill gets busy, I ride uphill of my little girl... mainly because of the "point and gun" skier/rider. Despite this, one ran into her pretty good last year on a green run.
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Old 12-25-2010, 11:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:00 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Just linking to what I'd read. Also not specifically using this incident to question the mothers parenting skills, just stating general observations of years of living in resort towns. Hell this incident could be like what I saw yesterday on peak 9 at Breck. Watched a new snowboarder pointing the run and catch his edge and take out a whole family full on double ejection for the main person he hit and then took out 2 other people. Dude didn't know how to ride but just pointed it and it was a wide open run there weren't any rollers or anything.
Sometimes being on the mountain seems riskier than trying to speed in rush hour traffic. As a parent of two, I'm usually on edge when my kids are skiing/boarding because I'm always on the lookout for something bad that might happen. It makes me anxious as hell but at the same time I want them to get the skills to do and appreciation for sports I love. I can't lock them up at home and hope they somehow become proficient skiers/riders. It's one of those situations where I teach them everything I know on how to be safe and aware, then take a deep breath and hope it all works out.

It kills me when I see other parents who either don't know or aren't aware enough to manage their kids on the mountain. I saw one family standing on the landing of one of the big jumps in the terrain park as a rider was descending from about three jumps above. I started shouting and waving maniacally at them to "get off the jump NOW!" Fortunately they got out of the way but none too quickly. I think they were baffled as to what my problem was. After the jumper landed the family looked kind of confused, as if they were wondering where the hell that guy just came from.
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See you're a parent that gets it. Classic example was 3 years ago at Keystone I'm in A51 going up the park chair and there on big line jump 3 is Mama, Papa, Baby 1, Baby 2, and Junior skiing in a nice cheese wedge formation. They get to the knuckle of number 3 and Mama pulls out her picnic basket and sets up a full scale picnic on the landing of 3, that jump is 75 feet. Everyone was screaming at them to move and guys aired over them, finally I called ski patrol from my cell phone cause someone was going to die.

When I was 17 my buddy hit a 25 foot jump at our home mountain spun a back 7 and guess what just happened to ski into the landing while he was in the air? 4 year old that took the edge of his board right to her head. He scalped her. Full blown flap of forehead peeled back skull exposed she's freaking out he's on the ground in shock my other buddy grabbed the girl and slapped snow on her head and called ski patrol. Where were the parents? No where in sight they just let her go do the bunny hill by herself which is right next to the base of the terrain park and she skied over into the landing blind. She survived but got something like 200 stitches in her head.
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Amen Toecutter.

I don't have any horror stories like BA, but once upon a time I saw a father and his little girl pull up behind the lip of jump where nobody could see them as I was coming in hot to hit it. I had to bail on the jump, but pulled up to the side to let them know nobody above me could see them and they were going to get hurt. The father politely responded, "FUCK YOU, I CAN STOP WHEREVER I WANT". Ignorance is bliss I suppose... until you scalped by an edge.

Good on you for knowing what's up and teaching your kids how to ride smart. Skiing/Snowboarding is dangerous by default, but there are so many ways to make it even more so.
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Where were the parents? No where in sight they just let her go do the bunny hill by herself which is right next to the base of the terrain park and she skied over into the landing blind. She survived but got something like 200 stitches in her head.
Never the fucking mind any of that. How do you think it's ok to let a 4-year old out of your sight anywhere at any time for any reason? Are these people mental?
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The top of kicking horse is 40 feet of cat track that drops OB on the left and Double Black chutes on the right. To follow along the cat track to the last chair that will get you to one of the top bowls you need to be ripping pretty good. There was a family riding all over the fucking place, I yelled left side, and one of their kids snowplowed right in front of me. I couldn't go left and I was going too fast to drop into a chute blind on the right so I tried to stop. Didn't happen fast enough so i just bailed, trying to slow and remain on the track. My buddy rode right over my arm cutting my glove and hand then he bailed too.

Not only did these fucking clueless parents not keep their kids in a tight group sharing the run, the dad wanted to exchange blows until he realized I was angry enough to kill him and throw him off the fucking hill.
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:58 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Just showing this, here's the slope in question (Dreadnaught)..



The article said the mom and kid were stopped in the run, so yeah he was either way out of control or didn't see them till it was too late. Sounds like a head to head collision if they were both pronounced dead at the hospital, plus the article mentioned neither were wearing helmets. Probably kid standing above mother on the slope and that's how the mother came through it alive.

Anyways, I cannot tell you how many times I've seen unattended little kids snow plow skiing their way through the park here and I just don't get the mindset of the parents. Day before yesterday I was standing at the bar which overlooks a black, I saw a kid no taller than my waist POINTING it down that run. Not skill, no control whatsoever. Had the kid not crashed he would've went into the board-check area at full tilt. Where were the parents? Standing 3 feet from me on the balcony laughing with a beer in their hands. It was a very class act when they asked him if he was ok though (called the kid by name so I knew it was probably them)

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I yelled left side, and one of their kids snowplowed right in front of me.
I seriously question the benefits vs risks when calling left side in a tight area. I'd say the majority of people around our resort that hear "on your left" will look over the left shoulder and end up turning that direction. I suppose it's a good idea for covering your ass just in case something were to happen.

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