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Old 01-29-2008, 11:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Right on, thanks for all the advice guys. Tomorrow I planned on calling around to find some inexpensive medical help and my friend said he knew of a clinic that works off of your income so hopefully I can get in somewhere that doesn't require a ton of money, as right now I just don't have it. I just got done taking a real hot bath for about an hour and it seemed to help a lot. Now I'll be icing it until bed. It does seem to have gotten what I would call 2% better lol which is probably a good sign. The bruise has gone away as well.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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supraspinatis... because you said when you initiate lifting your arm to your side.. deltoids could be a posibility as well.

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Old 01-30-2008, 05:28 AM   #13 (permalink)
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your deltoid is a slightly tricky muscle GROUP to injure, coz it is formed from 3 independent nodes.

you have the anterior, lateral and posterior. it could be one or some of these. so have a go at these...

stand up straight. with your arm down at your side, your hand flat on your leg, lift your straight arm up and forwards so you hand is in front of its opposite eye (so your right hand is in front of your left eye) that tests the anterior delt

do the same thing, but lift your down facing hand directly out to the side, for the lateral delt

do the same sort of thing as this last exercise, but whilst bent 90 degress at the waist, so you kinda flap your arm like a bird's wing, for the posterior delt.

with pain going down your upper arm... i reckon the first exercise might give you some problems...

but what they hell do i know? my shoulder is still killing me! ibuprofen and rough massage time! lovely!
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Good call Paolo. The one with my arm stretched out in front of me was definitely the hardest, although I really couldn't do all 3 I made a doctor appointment on Monday and they claimed it would be a $40 visit but we'll see how much it ends up being after all is said and done. I did notice a bit of improvement today and sitting on my ass this weekend instead of riding should help also. Of course the minute I get hurt I have to work 5 days this week which has been interesting to say the least. I gotta get this fixed because I may be getting a job with some wicked benefits ande good pay that would cover this sort of thing, even if it didn't happen at work. The catch is, I'm going have to be able to pass a physical exam and if I can't lift 50-75 lbs consistently, no job.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
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What kind of physical are they actually going to have you lift weights? I've had two jobs too were I had to do the COMPLETE physical and both times I never had to lift anything but my pants ... The 2nd doc did look down at the clipboard and looked back up and said... "eh.. you like like you can lift a box or two"... If you do have to lift something maybe you can cheat a little by getting your arms under it and lift the weight with your back/legs...

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What kind of physical are they actually going to have you lift weights? I've had two jobs too were I had to do the COMPLETE physical and both times I never had to lift anything but my pants ... The 2nd doc did look down at the clipboard and looked back up and said... "eh.. you like like you can lift a box or two"... If you do have to lift something maybe you can cheat a little by getting your arms under it and lift the weight with your back/legs...

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Well it is the kind of thing where if the doctor can tell that I can't lift my arm above my shoulder he'll probably make note of it. It will be a welding job where I will be lifting bobcat buckets etc. and doing some manual physical labor. I can't bitch too hard about it because I can't lie to them, or else my job chances are fucked for life, and considering they will be starting me anywhere between $22 and $30 an hour. I can't risk it, I'd rather tell them I'll re-apply when I am healthy again. The fact I can't even lift a screwdriver let alone my arm above my chest would give it away in a moments notice. I can't cheat it or I'll be screwed once hired.

And the bad part is TODAY, I'd have a hard time getting my arms under it. Luckily right at this moment I work for family and they are willing to put up with my injury rather than fire me/lay me off/ tell me to come back once healed (which I couldn't afford to do). Unfortunately I've been working my ASS off for the past three days like this and my right arm has taken the brunt of the pain taking up for my bad arm, which has made my good arm a little sore. Welding is a bitch, I almost wish I had a desk job at this point.

It did get a little better today though don't get me wrong. If it's anything like when I tore a muscle in my forearm then it will be sore forever, but will atleast be useable within 3-4 weeks, I hope.

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Well it is the kind of thing where if the doctor can tell that I can't lift my arm above my shoulder he'll probably make note of it. It will be a welding job where I will be lifting bobcat buckets etc. and doing some manual physical labor. I can't bitch too hard about it because I can't lie to them, or else my job chances are fucked for life, and considering they will be starting me anywhere between $22 and $30 an hour. I can't risk it, I'd rather tell them I'll re-apply when I am healthy again. The fact I can't even lift a screwdriver let alone my arm above my chest would give it away in a moments notice. I can't cheat it or I'll be screwed once hired.
Gotcha... Was just taking the angle that the application just said that on it and the odds of actually lifting that much regularly wasn't going to happen... If you already have the interview lined up show up anyways... Look the man in the eye and tell him the truth... Chances are he'll respect you for it and might give you some leeway... or they could have another opening etc... If he's a dick about it you probably didn't want to work for him in the first place...


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Its a big enough place the BITCH hiring me (I heard she is UN-PLEASANT) will not be my boss, but the work of getting past her. From there it will be assholes like me lol.
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Its a big enough place the BITCH hiring me (I heard she is UN-PLEASANT) will not be my boss, but the work of getting past her. From there it will be assholes like me lol.
Rough... Talk about bad timing man...


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If you still have rotation in your shoulder i'm doubting your cuff is torn... My buddy shredded his and couldn't move his arm... maybe he's a pansy... but on the bicep thing... if you fell like you were sleeping on your arm then yeah... like paolo said.. it could be your deltoid or subscapularis(outside pec muscle).. You said you don't have insurance so i'd keep the ice on it with some type of muscle relaxer for a couple days and see what happens... if it's still giving you shit go to the ER... they can't refuse anyone service if your in pain...

Here's a shoulder muscle group anatomy for the hell of it:
Maybe that will help you isolate which group is hurting...


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That diagram is too simplified.
There are four muscles that comprise of the rotator cuff. Supraspinatus, Infraspinatus, Teres Minor, and Subscapularis (in medical school we learned it as the acronym SITS).

The deltoid is not a rotator cuff muscle but can assist in shoulder abduction (the motion in which you move your arm directly away from your body but in the same 2D plane), but only AFTER the first 60 degrees are initiated by the rotator cuff itself. This is why many people with rotator cuff tears will "lean" to the affected side to get gravity to induce the first 60 degrees rotation so that they can then use their deltoid to lift the arm up further.

Here, it should look like this:



From the OP's description, it could be one of a few possibilities, but regardless, needs a proper physical examination to confirm the diagnosis.

You can find the money to board? Then find the money to go see a doctor. You need to be assessed in person. Period. Nothing any of us say can help you at all compared to in-person professional consultation.
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