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Old 01-29-2008, 12:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So the other day I ate shit pretty fucking hard....and then ate shit after that probably twice. I can't lift my arm above my shoulder but I still have rotation in my shoulder. I know this is probably a "doctor visit" type of deal but no insurance, weak hours, and an eating into savings due to lack of work since the new year means a doctor will be hard to see. Any guess on the injury? I have a slight bruise about the size of a half dollar directly 4 inches above my armpit and my arm is damn near useless. How long can I expect this to take to heal? I'm pretty sure it's a MILD stretch or tear in my rotator cup, maybe my bicep (but way up). I'm begging for any good advice, experience, or thoughts on this subject. Ice, heat? What's good for this sort of injury?
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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it is at the very least a physiotherapists visit.

the shoulder is a complex and open joint and i have mucho problemos with one of mine, due to gym work.

it could be any of the deltoid muscles, the underlying rotator cuff muscles and ligaments or as you say, a more remote cause like upper arm muscles.

to identify the problem, you need to identify the movements which cause pain.

however, if all else fails, take ibuprofen to reduce inflamation, a bit of ice and (i like to) use some seriously hard pressure one or two finger massages on the points of soreness to promote blood flow. and when i say hard i mean bruise making.

.... take two of these, spank your monkey with your bad arm and come back in a week....
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I tore my rotator cuff 21 years ago when I was 14. It was a slight tear and I did PT and just stopped playing baseball. It still hurts if I sleep wrong, throw a ball for too long...odd weather makes it ache. Also if I fall while boarding it hurts. I would get it looked at if possible, but also do not push it as you can do more damage in the long run. You want it to heal for sure....
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Don't forget heat. It is just as important as ice. Ice for the swelling, heat for the stiffness and pain.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you still have rotation in your shoulder i'm doubting your cuff is torn... My buddy shredded his and couldn't move his arm... maybe he's a pansy... but on the bicep thing... if you fell like you were sleeping on your arm then yeah... like paolo said.. it could be your deltoid or subscapularis(outside pec muscle).. You said you don't have insurance so i'd keep the ice on it with some type of muscle relaxer for a couple days and see what happens... if it's still giving you shit go to the ER... they can't refuse anyone service if your in pain...

Here's a shoulder muscle group anatomy for the hell of it:
Maybe that will help you isolate which group is hurting...


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Well from the picture I'd say Deltoid. I can still rotate my shoulder which isn't all that bad painwise, but the minute I lift my arm I get shooting pains down into my bicep and I just can't even bear to lift it any further. If I force myself to endure the pain I can VERY slowly lift it above my shoulder but I definitely can't pick anything up etc. I'm going to have to give my uncle a visit, he's got pain killers and muscle relaxers. That sucks. I have a trip to Monarch coming up in 11 days and I can't even put my arm up to balance myself on a board.
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Well from the picture I'd say Deltoid. I can still rotate my shoulder which isn't all that bad painwise, but the minute I lift my arm I get shooting pains down into my bicep and I just can't even bear to lift it any further. If I force myself to endure the pain I can VERY slowly lift it above my shoulder but I definitely can't pick anything up etc. I'm going to have to give my uncle a visit, he's got pain killers and muscle relaxers. That sucks. I have a trip to Monarch coming up in 11 days and I can't even put my arm up to balance myself on a board.
I've never done anything to my delt... sounds like a bruised/tore tendon though... maybe hit up some webmd... If that is the case though there is probly not alot a regular doc. is going to do for you anyways but script you some meds and a ice pack... If you do go to a doc. cut out the middle man and head to the specialist... I am far from being a doctor or anything of the sort but i've had more than my share of wrecks and ER trips... You do need to get your hands on some type of anti-flammatory like naproxen at the very least...

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I tore my rotator cuff 21 years ago when I was 14. It was a slight tear and I did PT and just stopped playing baseball. It still hurts if I sleep wrong, throw a ball for too long...odd weather makes it ache. Also if I fall while boarding it hurts. I would get it looked at if possible, but also do not push it as you can do more damage in the long run. You want it to heal for sure....
Likewise on the rotary cuff. I fucked mine up two years ago. A MINOR tear. Went to PT. Honey gave me some weight training excercises to do. I snowboard, skateboard, and play softball, (tackle) football, and am a huge billiard junkie. If I do *any* of those for several days in row, for extended periods of time, my shoulder hurts. Playing pool is actually the worst of them all. If I sleep wrong it hurts. If I stop doing the weight training excercises, it starts to hurt more. I will have to do those the rest of my life. My shoulder is never going to be same again. I am aware of that, and just have to alter my life in order to deal with that truth the best that I can. And my other arm? That one has a metal-rod in it from a motorcycle wreck. I'm lucky to be alive, let alone having 98% use of that arm. Despite a compound fracture, and metal rod that is imbeded in my bone for the rest of my life, the tiny little tear in my rotary cuff on the other arm causes more pain, and more problems than the "serious" injury in the other arm that has a metal rod in it. Irony runs thick sometimes.

Anyway, the point in all this personal digretion is that an over-all small injury can really fuck-up your shoulder up, and your life. Without know WHAT to do in order to make it better (i.e. proper PT), you can make the injury worse. You can also lose a lot of use of your arm. I am not trying to scare you, I am just trying to be real with you. I have a long and sorid history of fucking myself up (inc. shoulders) from all kinds of sports. I not only know what can happen, I've *had* it happen.

Put ice on it. Get a sling from the drug store and wear it, all the time. Even to bed. Do not move your arm at all. Take IBUPROFINE, as it is an anti-infalmitory. 4 pills is usually a subscription sized dose (800mg, I think). If there is not a SUBSTANTIAL difference in your arm in 5-7 days, start researching free clincs. Call a local hospital and tell them your situation. Check out local med schools, they often let students (under supervision) do work for free. Do your homework. Use of your arm might depend on it.
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Likewise on the rotary cuff. I fucked mine up two years ago. A MINOR tear. Went to PT. Honey gave me some weight training excercises to do. I snowboard, skateboard, and play softball, (tackle) football, and am a huge billiard junkie. If I do *any* of those for several days in row, for extended periods of time, my shoulder hurts. Playing pool is actually the worst of them all. If I sleep wrong it hurts. If I stop doing the weight training excercises, it starts to hurt more. I will have to do those the rest of my life. My shoulder is never going to be same again. I am aware of that (my other arm has a metal-rod in it from a motorcycle wreck).

Anyway, the point in all this personal digretion is that an over-all small injury can really fuck your shoulder up. Without know WHAT to do to make it better (i.e. proper PT), you can make make the injury worse. I am not trying to scare you, I am just trying to be real with you. I have a long and sorid history of fucking myself up (inc shoulders) from sports. I not only know what can happen, I've *had* it happen.

Put ice on it. Get a sling from the drug store and wear it. Even to bed. Do not move your arm at all. Take INUPROFINE, as it is an anti-infalmitory. 4 pills is usually a subscription sized dose (800mg, I think). If there is not a SUBSTANTIAL difference in your arm in 5-7 days, start researching free clincs. Call a local hospital and tell them your situation. Check out local med schools, they often let students (under supervision) do work for free. Do your homework. Use of your arm might depend on it.
Excactly... I have a quirk in my left shoulder from a crash that I had 4 years ago.. never got it checked out.. I found out the hard way that if it's a tendon/muscle injury and it doesn't go away in a week... it's probly not going to... As apposed to my knee... the doc had me up and running 100% in about 8 months...


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Old 01-29-2008, 10:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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sounds like an AC Shoulder Separation. Is that bruise a bump that's hard as a rock and you can push it down? If so that'd be ur collar bone ripped out of place.

Same thing happened to me about 1 1/2 months ago. Mine was a grade III. The doctor gave me a sling. I was pretty surprised that's all I was given considering my collar bone was a good inch above its normal position, but after googling it aparently most ac shoulder separations are treated the same way.

I couldn't move my arm above my shoulder same as you when it first happened. I can now fully rotate my arm but unfortunately the bump is here to stay 'cause the collar bone never fully moves back into position.

here's a wiki on it: Separated shoulder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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