Front foot pains... to the verge of quitting - Snowboarding Forum

Ants · 01-02-2011, 10:42 PM

So my old thread which I posted little less than a year ago happened to me again on my most recent trip (http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...-outside.html7)

Cliff notes: Riding would cause excruciating pain in my front foot - as is someone were taking my foot and bending it in ways it shouldn't be. I would go maybe 100 yards and have to stop and lie in the snow twisting and turning because of the pain.

I have since moved my bindings +15/-12. I have a naturally crazy toe out (duck) stance so I decided I may as well match that with my binding angles. I also moved my back binding closer to center so now the distance between the two is closer to 21" (approx 30% of height).

Overall, it STILL hasnt helped the situation and I'm pretty much ready to give up.

The only things I haven't tried - smaller board? smaller bindings?

The one thing I noticed while I ride is that on groomed trails I could ride fast and thus not turn as much and the pain virtually goes away. The pain comes when I have to switch a lot and I believe that I am physically trying to twist the board with my front foot. I really think this is the reason for all my pain. What would the solution to this be? Shorter board? Or is it just fundamentals I need to alter?

Thanks everyone! I could really use your help b/c I'm going again in a month and I don't want another trip of pain

Qball · 01-02-2011, 10:56 PM

Have you tried different insoles or different boots?

BliND KiNK · 01-02-2011, 11:03 PM

do you have ducky feet like me..? no arch.? that makes mine hurts after a while.. ^ go with that you need like doctor scholls or a new boot that fits better... consult your nearest snowboard boot shop

Shocktroop531 · 01-02-2011, 11:13 PM

definitely try different boots and maybe different bindings as well. you shouldn't have to give up boarding over this. at least not before you've tried every alternative. you can duck out alot more than 15 and -12 too. I've put my front binding as far forward at 20 degrees just to try it. I didn't particluarly like it but maybe itd be comfortable for you. try everything you can think of. first thing I'd try though is a new pair of boots. something that fits better and gives mroe support

Ants · 01-02-2011, 11:42 PM

I've tried green superfeet didnt help much at all... Tried even special orthotics that were molded specifically for my feet... didnt help either.

I've tried a few different boots only problem is I can never tell how they feel until I ride.

Yup - I do have super ducky feet when I walk...

I've tried Salomon Brigade Wides and my TM Twos

I also have a pair of brand new DC Rogans. I havent tried these in fear of new boots adding additional pain to the mix.

My 32 TM-2s are comfortable all day just walking around in them, strapped in even... its only when I have to keep switching fast b/c of moguls or chopped up conditions where I can't casually carve. Thats why I don't think its the boots anymore.

BliND KiNK · 01-02-2011, 11:49 PM

I'm thinking it's more of a weak foot problem? because you sound just like me... at the end of the day after boarding... I walk around like a robot duck.... but....

it almost sounds like you have a broken arch in your leading foot... if you've got coverage.. I'd go see a foot doc... because they would definitely be able to cure your ailments... .I have no doubt..

Ants · 01-03-2011, 12:01 AM

I know I definitely have no arch whatsoever in my feet. So you think that it isnt the fact that I'm twisting with the lead foot (is that poor fundamentals?), or the 162cm (long board) thats causing the pain?

BliND KiNK · 01-03-2011, 12:15 AM

that's a good point.. you might be trying to bend too much board.. I don't know .. I'm 5'10 and my biggest board ever was a 157 so.. eh.
Twisting? I think I do something kind of like that... but to twist the board it's just like a gas pedal.. push down to go toe.. pull back to go heel... maybe you aren't putting your weight on the front foot and in turn.... working harder than you should?

I still defer to the ortho.

earl_je · 01-03-2011, 12:22 AM

Usually unusual foot pain is caused by a combination of boot fitment and binding issue. If your foot/leg muscles aren't quite ready and are still fairly weak, this will happen also.

But you mentioned riding just 100yards and it hurts immediately? might be something more serious going on with your foot.

Ants · 01-03-2011, 12:22 AM

Yea the reason I question that its a boot problem because I am pretty sure I can wear the boots a whole day without the cramp issue. I can ride groomed runs all day without the cramp issue. It only surfaces when the snow is extra lumpy or mogul-y and I'm forcing a turn with the lead foot.

01-02-2011, 10:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ants Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 14	Front foot pains... to the verge of quitting So my old thread which I posted little less than a year ago happened to me again on my most recent trip (http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...-outside.html7) Cliff notes: Riding would cause excruciating pain in my front foot - as is someone were taking my foot and bending it in ways it shouldn't be. I would go maybe 100 yards and have to stop and lie in the snow twisting and turning because of the pain. I have since moved my bindings +15/-12. I have a naturally crazy toe out (duck) stance so I decided I may as well match that with my binding angles. I also moved my back binding closer to center so now the distance between the two is closer to 21" (approx 30% of height). Overall, it STILL hasnt helped the situation and I'm pretty much ready to give up. The only things I haven't tried - smaller board? smaller bindings? The one thing I noticed while I ride is that on groomed trails I could ride fast and thus not turn as much and the pain virtually goes away. The pain comes when I have to switch a lot and I believe that I am physically trying to twist the board with my front foot. I really think this is the reason for all my pain. What would the solution to this be? Shorter board? Or is it just fundamentals I need to alter? Thanks everyone! I could really use your help b/c I'm going again in a month and I don't want another trip of pain

01-02-2011, 11:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
BliND KiNK Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Omaha, Nebraska (for now) Posts: 729	do you have ducky feet like me..? no arch.? that makes mine hurts after a while.. ^ go with that you need like doctor scholls or a new boot that fits better... consult your nearest snowboard boot shop __________________ I wanted a sig, but I need a job first.

01-02-2011, 11:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
BliND KiNK Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Omaha, Nebraska (for now) Posts: 729	I'm thinking it's more of a weak foot problem? because you sound just like me... at the end of the day after boarding... I walk around like a robot duck.... but.... it almost sounds like you have a broken arch in your leading foot... if you've got coverage.. I'd go see a foot doc... because they would definitely be able to cure your ailments... .I have no doubt.. __________________ I wanted a sig, but I need a job first.

01-03-2011, 12:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
BliND KiNK Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Omaha, Nebraska (for now) Posts: 729	that's a good point.. you might be trying to bend too much board.. I don't know .. I'm 5'10 and my biggest board ever was a 157 so.. eh. Twisting? I think I do something kind of like that... but to twist the board it's just like a gas pedal.. push down to go toe.. pull back to go heel... maybe you aren't putting your weight on the front foot and in turn.... working harder than you should? I still defer to the ortho. __________________ I wanted a sig, but I need a job first.

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01-02-2011, 10:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Qball Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mt. Hood, Oregon Posts: 1,272	Have you tried different insoles or different boots?

01-02-2011, 11:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Shocktroop531 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: park city , Utah Posts: 500	definitely try different boots and maybe different bindings as well. you shouldn't have to give up boarding over this. at least not before you've tried every alternative. you can duck out alot more than 15 and -12 too. I've put my front binding as far forward at 20 degrees just to try it. I didn't particluarly like it but maybe itd be comfortable for you. try everything you can think of. first thing I'd try though is a new pair of boots. something that fits better and gives mroe support

01-02-2011, 11:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ants Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 14	I've tried green superfeet didnt help much at all... Tried even special orthotics that were molded specifically for my feet... didnt help either. I've tried a few different boots only problem is I can never tell how they feel until I ride. Yup - I do have super ducky feet when I walk... I've tried Salomon Brigade Wides and my TM Twos I also have a pair of brand new DC Rogans. I havent tried these in fear of new boots adding additional pain to the mix. My 32 TM-2s are comfortable all day just walking around in them, strapped in even... its only when I have to keep switching fast b/c of moguls or chopped up conditions where I can't casually carve. Thats why I don't think its the boots anymore.

01-03-2011, 12:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ants Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 14	I know I definitely have no arch whatsoever in my feet. So you think that it isnt the fact that I'm twisting with the lead foot (is that poor fundamentals?), or the 162cm (long board) thats causing the pain?

01-03-2011, 12:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
earl_je Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Keystone, CO Posts: 824	Usually unusual foot pain is caused by a combination of boot fitment and binding issue. If your foot/leg muscles aren't quite ready and are still fairly weak, this will happen also. But you mentioned riding just 100yards and it hurts immediately? might be something more serious going on with your foot.

01-03-2011, 12:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ants Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 14	Yea the reason I question that its a boot problem because I am pretty sure I can wear the boots a whole day without the cramp issue. I can ride groomed runs all day without the cramp issue. It only surfaces when the snow is extra lumpy or mogul-y and I'm forcing a turn with the lead foot.