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Old 02-08-2011, 12:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation Why the hate for Burton......don't want to hear fighting, just facts...

I know it may have been discussed before, but I want some fresh, adult-like opinions. Don't have anything of substance to offer, please carry on.

Im pretty new to the forum....and I have noticed a certain degree of "hate" towards Burton. I know it may have been discussed before, but I want some fresh, adult-like opinions.

I would like to hear solid reasoning, no bashing please. If you don't like the brand, tell me why and move on. We are all entitled to our opinions and I want to hear yours.

Personally their stuff has worked great for me (5'11", over two bills, would classify myself as an "advanced beginner"). I Ride a Burton board, bindings, and boots. Not drinking the cool aid, I just believe the longer you have at something, the better you are at it (Nike basketball shoes, Titleist golf clubs, apple computers, sony electronics, etc.)

As far as other brands, I know NS's are bulletproof (My next board most probably will be a NS). I know Mervin is made in the US and full of great tech (No personal experience so I can't make an educated comment). I can speak of K2 boards, and in my experience they are very good. That said, let's hear your civilized opinions.....


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Old 02-08-2011, 12:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I rode some rental Burtons and they didn't work for me, so when it came time to buy my own board, I avoided them They aren't worth the hype.

BTW Callaway irons and Cleveland woods and wedges are the way to go
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
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We've needed a thread on this topic. I doubt it's ever been discussed previously. I'm sure a simple search would turn up nothing.
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Well I was trying to keep it civil and hear comments based on experiences....I appologize if I wasted anyone's time by visiting a topic that, although previously visited, I had curiosity about. If you do not want to offer anything constructive look at the other topics in the forum, there are some excellent discussions out there that I am sure will benefit from your (linvillegorge)very valuable opinions. Thanks for looking.

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Old 02-08-2011, 01:38 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think the hate is semi-toward Burton and semi-toward the people who are generally associated with riding Burton. The people who run Burton know how to make money and, frankly, they do simply because they sponsor people like Shaun White and are hyped up to sound like the only board company worth anything on the planet to a non-snowboarder. In reality, there are many other companies out there with better boards and better technology that don't get nearly as much recognition for what they do. Burton makes a good board, but they are very expensive.

There are also a lot of douches who ride Burton. I didn't think it was that bad until I started looking for it, but there are an insane amount of high school kids whose parents spent $1000 on a full setup when they don't even know how to ride. And Burton is almost always the board they go for because they haven't been into snowboarding enough to research the other companies. That pisses me off more than anything because I had to work hard and sacrifice a lot of other stuff to save up for all my gear.



Also, I ride Burton. I got an amazing deal on a 2010 setup (too good to pass up) and their high-end boards are definitely decent. If people laugh at me, I show them up on the slopes. As long as you can back up your riding, you don't have to worry about the hardcore people dissing you.
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@Willy, all rentals suck. the k2 rental board's gonna suck just as much as the Burton one. Rentals aren't a very good indication of how a brands real boards are gonna ride. Burton don't really have a hype train anymore..

@op, Big b gets hate because they're massive. Any big company as big as Burton in snowboarding or skating gets hate, people just find a reason. Sometimes they deserve it, sometimes they don't. Burton has done bad things for the industry (cutting all those team riders, closing down their usa factory and outsourcing, killing local shops through direct sales, etc) which I think are perfectly good reasons to hate a company, but Burton also good things for the industry like Chill, the stash, and withdrawing from Sierra.

Burton has a reputation sucking because with a board line as big, diverse and innovative as Burtons, there have to be some boards that suck donkey balls and get bad reviews, and since Burton's massive and everyone and their goldfish rides a Burton, that means they all suck.

Burtons have a reputation for breaking easily because a lot of Burton boards are made, therefore a lot of Burton boards break e.g if 10 Capita's are made and 100 Burton's are made, 1 capita breaks, 10 Burton's break and before you can say "they're both made in the same factory", Capita's are seen as bombproof and Burton's are seen as being fragile as, even though they have the same rate of breaking.I think Burton equipment doesn't necessarily deserve it's bad reputation.

Personally I don't ride Burton boards or bindings, because I don't agree with what they've done for the industry and I want to support small companies that I believe in, which is really hard to do that in the southern hemisphere.

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Telosin....fair point. I am by no means an expert, I link my turns, go as fast as anyone (you know what I mean), do the small park jumps, etc. So in short, because Burton has more exposure, more people assume its the end all be all of riding. I do agree that a lot of people whose parents drop a K on their setups, independent of whether they can ride or just want to look cool on the lift line, ride Burton. Your point reminds me of Tapout in the MMA arena, it got the most exposure, so purists dubbed it poser gear becauese the guys at Tapout ran a business.

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Telosin....fair point. I am by no means an expert, I link my turns, go as fast as anyone (you know what I mean), do the small park jumps, etc. So in short, because Burton has more exposure, more people assume its the end all be all of riding. I do agree that a lot of people whose parents drop a K on their setups, independent of whether they can ride or just want to look cool on the lift line, ride Burton. Your point reminds me of Tapout in the MMA arena, it got the most exposure, so purists dubbed it poser gear becauese the guys at Tapout ran a business.

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Exactly like Tapout. Yeah man, no offense was intended with my post at all. I was just stating what I think others think and what I'm beginning to believe a little too. Like you, I'm definitely going NS with my next board.
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Well I was trying to keep it civil and hear comments based on experiences....I appologize if I wasted anyone's time by visiting a topic that, although previously visited, I had curiosity about. If you do not want to offer anything constructive look at the other topics in the forum, there are some excellent discussions out there that I am sure will benefit from your (linvillegorge)very valuable opinions. Thanks for looking.

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Im pretty new to the forum....and I have noticed a certain degree of "hate" towards Burton.

I would like to hear solid reasoning, no bashing please. If you don't like the brand, tell me why and move on. We are all entitled to our opinions and I want to hear yours.

Personally their stuff has worked great for me (5'11", over two bills, would classify myself as an "advanced beginner"). I Ride a Burton board, bindings, and boots. Not drinking the cool aid, I just believe the longer you have at something, the better you are at it (Nike basketball shoes, Titleist golf clubs, apple computers, sony electronics, etc.)

As far as other brands, I know NS's are bulletproof (My next board most probably will be a NS). I know Mervin is made in the US and full of great tech (No personal experience so I can't make an educated comment). I can speak of K2 boards, and in my experience they are very good. That said, let's hear your civilized opinions.....

To be honest, I have not seen a Burton hate thread in a while (well, before my brief hiatus from the site anyways, thanks Apple) while I specifically saw several of "Why the hate towards Burton" threads. There's not nearly as much as you people seem to believe.

Going on to why you might see some people dislike Burton:
1. Moved all their production from the U.S.. Granted, a lot of companies have, but considering their role in the history of snowboarding and support of the recent Olympic U.S. Teams (although they did support others to my knowledge) it kind of hits closer to home.
2. Touting a "Support Local" campaign while having what many describe as prohibitive minimum buy ins as well as sometimes being direct competitors to those stores. (Sierrasnow didn't help...)
3*. Overproducing, which led to both potential quality issues (more boards made, more boards break) as well as a sharp decrease in perception of Burton brand value (why buy a Burton board when you can wait till Christmas and get it at a larger discount?)
4. A lot of people have had bad experience with lower end boards. Burton probably gets more heat since they just have so many boards to be honest. (Rentals, haha)
5. Overpriced (or at least the perception of overpriced) Boards. People feel you can get equivalent boards from other companies for $50-$100 less. Your mileage may vary.
6. Some leftovers from the original outcry about the incompatibility between EST and regular bindings. Largely gone since there are many adapter plates out now (and most people seem to admit that you might as well use it if you have a Burton board with it)
7**. Huge marketing campaign that annoys other boarders who have to explain that Burton is not necessarily the best brand, other comparable companies do exist, and there's more pro snowboarders out there than that ginger***.
8. They're big. It's cool to be a "rebel" rather than part of the big group.
9. They raped my dog.
10. Personal experience with products that legitimately failed them.

*They've cut back on this in the last year or so. Realized it was hurting the brand image.
** This is one of the reasons many of us (or at least I'm) quick to point out other snowboards that aren't from Burton's line. Honestly, I assume most people have already been to the Burton website and seen their products.
*** Extra points if they believe he created every single trick in existence. Specifically the double cork. I'm sure people will give him credit for the triple for some reason pretty soon.

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p.s. Snowolf, can we make posting this and similar posts a bannable offense? Pweaaaaaaaase?
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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people hate BURTON because it's too commercialized

whenever something becomes too popular, people start hatin' ... Fuck, look at Nirvana, started small underground, then exploded and went against the single thing they stood for.

look at dj tiesto, back in the early late 90's he was the shiznit, people loved him because he wasn't well known, then became the biggest sell out with money growing out of his ears ...

and then you have shaun white ... need i say more ..

and on and on and on ...

so burton got too big ... money money money toyota toyota toyota

eeh what the hell do i know ...
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