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Old 02-25-2011, 07:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I live in the east. The ice capital of the world. Between granular conditions, icey spots and icey chopping snow - it gets pretty hard to get good lines on the slopes on some bad days.

TODAY took the cake. Been skiing/boarding now for probably 25 years, some of those years I barely ever went, but for the most part, I've NEVER seen conditions like this during my most active times out

Tuesday, we get 8" of powder. IN between, weather tells me basically next good day to go is today, of course they are wrong, we get rain last night, and the slopes groom their now extremely soaked snow. Temps drop 10 degree, winds pickup to 20-30 mph.

Fast forward 6 hours later, 1" of powder drops. I hit the slopes this evening, to find the slowest powder in a few spots followed by 100% of teh slopes covered in THICK ice.
I've never seen anythign like this. Looked like the slopes were perfectly groomed still after the day people, even on the main intermediate slope.

BECAUSE , the groomer lines were SOLID ice. I rode down, terrified of trying edges because who the heck wants to fall on solid solid solid ice right? Ive never heard my board this loud. All you could hear throughout the slopes was a horrible scraping sound.

It was so bad, I asked for a refund. My board was getting caught in the groomer lines. When I just slide down the hill or did a skidded turn, there were ZERO tracks left behind me.

snow report stated : groomed. That's it.

Well, Im getting a refund in teh mail they said, they were really cool about it I have to say and was really surprised they agreed to refund.

Anyone else experience this and said, f it, im out?

Serious, it was dangerous. SOLID ice everywhere with tiny bits of powder to throw you suddenly off your balance. Esp someone pretty new to boarding (been skiing all my life, and would have left on skis too)

Even the tracks from snow equipment and other riders left over that the groomers missed, were like cement ridges in the snow. Little lumps of snow that were 6" in circum were like hitting bricks.

No one was carving, everyone was just sliding and trying to make it down safely.
Couple that with 20 degree and a steady 20mph wind, it was the worst I've seen.

I've skied in negative 20 degree temps before, real garbage snow and stayed the whole day, just couldn't imagine getting away without a bad hip bruise , messed up knee/head or something breaking with this level of rough ice.

IMAGINE sliding your knee over groomer lines that are SOLID ice.

I tried to break one by prying my finger against another one for leverage and couldnt break one of the lines.

pretty depressing, all that effort to get out of work early and get to the mountain, drag my equipment up with me and prepare the night before, wasted

IF someone has experience with this, what does it take to rid the slopes of this? The only thing we are expected to get in the next 7 days is some more rain, a bit of snow and a couple days of warmer temps with some sun.

So I was checking out this site: http://www.skiernet.com/snow-conditions.html

says the loose granular is the worst to ski on vs ice. 50% of my riding is on this stuff, and I'm not sure what ice they are talking about, this was just solid sheets but even the groomer lines. I can't imagine that anyone on this planet would rank loose granular worse than true ice conditions like I witnessed tonight. So what would my conditions be ? a -1 on the ride scale? lol

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Old 02-25-2011, 07:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Worst time I've ever boarded was a few years ago at Heavenly in Tahoe it was -50 with windchill at the top. Needless to say a combination of wind and super cold temps making the snow sticky as all hell made it incredibly difficult to move off the cat tracks onto the runs because it was impossible to skate and had to unstrap to walk.
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frozen groomer lines and sled tracks are about as bad as you can get but I've never seen an entire ski area in that bad of shape. sorry to hear it but lucky you're getting a refund.

In Tahoe a few years back it was 0 at the top with a -30 wind chill. that's about as cold as I've ever been but there was a little fresh snow so it was actually a decent day to ride.

In Whistler, 2006 we were there it hadn't snowed in over 14 days. Hardpack hardpack hardpack there wasn't any fresh, anywhere. It was between 0 and 5 degrees ever day and awfully icy. These were (disappointingly) some of the worst conditions I've ever ridden - as bad or worse than a bad day on the slopes here in the midwest.
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Wow I don't think anyone will beat a mountain of solid ice, yikes, sounds really bad.

My worst day was at Silver Star about 4 or 5 years ago. Freezing rain that was so bad your goggles would literally get a sheet of ice built up on them, no amount of wiping or scraping would help. The only way to get the ice off was to take off your goggles and twist so the ice sheet could break up. I tried riding without goggles and it felt like a million tiny needles were trying to puncture my eyeballs. It was already a thick pea soup of a foggy day, but with the ice on the goggles I literally couldn't see more than a few feet in front of me.
On the lifts my jacket and pants would also get a sheet of ice building up.
There was a good half a foot of pow, but with a sheet of ice on top. So it hurt pretty bad when your nose went under and had to use your shin as an icebreaker.
I'm surprised we lasted the 5 or 6 runs we did, it really was terrible.
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I experience frozen groomer lines alot, near the edges, Goes from a hard pack powder type stuff that is pretty enjoyable to skid through to frozen, but usually you leave behind some granular for the next person to wisk through easily..

I can't even imagine how the ENTIRE slope was like this today. 30% covered in a dusting of powder with 10% of it covered with 1" of powder, which IMMEDIATELY slowed you almost out of your boots lol, then you turn and find the only way to turn is to basically ice skate through it.

Will they find a way to chop this up? I'm surprised they only groom and dont have attachments for their equipment to churn up the snow and grind it up creating, and then grooming it.

I would think the only thing that could save my slopes would be some warm weather during the day to loosen it up, a gaggle of skiers to churn it up, and a good 2"-4" of fresh powder to mix in with it to create a ridable base?!?

last year was so much better. Powder almost all year, packed or fresh...in the east!

Im used to loose granular heavy stuff on teh narrows and in between bumps on the steeps, I guess this is hated by many but for us east coasters this is fine, even the occasional solid sheet of ice on the most heavily traveled intersections of the steeps is fine, we learn to anticipate and adjust,

But when you have solid ice with a dusting of powder in tiny spots, it's horrible.

I feel bad, they dump off 5 buses of kids that had NO idea how to ride. Most of them looked like deer in headlights at the lodge as they tried to figure out how to ski/skate over to teh lift lol. They are going to HURT after tonight. There was already one kid that messed up his arm after only riding 2 times down.

oh well, im done complaining , its over but sad. That much rain and you groom the slopes!??! what happens to a slush ball when you SMOOSH it together and then put it in the freezer!?? it becomes an ice ball! I wouldnt have groomed what so ever, would have waited for the fresh overnight stuff, made a boat load of snow overnight then groomed late late morning , and presto, great weekend. Now it's ruined for all their events
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Wow I don't think anyone will beat a mountain of solid ice, yikes, sounds really bad.
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Wow I don't think anyone will beat a mountain of solid ice, yikes, sounds really bad.

My worst day was at Silver Star about 4 or 5 years ago. Freezing rain that was so bad your goggles would literally get a sheet of ice built up on them, no amount of wiping or scraping would help. The only way to get the ice off was to take off your goggles and twist so the ice sheet could break up. I tried riding without goggles and it felt like a million tiny needles were trying to puncture my eyeballs. It was already a thick pea soup of a foggy day, but with the ice on the goggles I literally couldn't see more than a few feet in front of me.
On the lifts my jacket and pants would also get a sheet of ice building up.
There was a good half a foot of pow, but with a sheet of ice on top. So it hurt pretty bad when your nose went under and had to use your shin as an icebreaker.
I'm surprised we lasted the 5 or 6 runs we did, it really was terrible.
AH! I've been there too! Cruising along and you hit a 'fresh' spot of powder that hasn't been fluffed by anyone after a freezing rain (or during) and your legs / boots get chewed up by the crunchy stuff on top while you are floating on the powder underneath.

Dunno. Wish they would be honest about conditions so people can decide if they really want to spend their money on a day like that.

makes me mad that the day before was sunny, 36, packed powder
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-30 degrees with wind chills in the -70 range last january at stowe vermont. you haven't boarded in bad conditions until you've boarded solid ice slopes in vermont in january
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I went to Skibowl our lowest resort(but best terrain with heavy snow) late in the season after a storm. About 30 minutes in it actually started to rain on us, and not like sprinkle but downright pour. My buddy apparently forgot to clean his vagine that morning because he got all butthurt and wanted to go inside(I dont care about getting wet, thats why i wear a waterproof goretex coat).

So we went inside and drank a beer until it stopped, pretty much everybody left but a few. And when it stopped, it turned into one of the best days ever lol. The rain had softened up the groomed snow and it was butter smooth and we had the entire mountain to ourself basically.

Same buddy didnt have a good day when we went to Timberline this season lol. First run hes like oh look Magic mile(the upper most run) was open, i saw clouds and fog and said i dunno i hate boarding in the god damn fog you cant see shit but said we can try it once. We get to the top and of course cant see shit, and he falls off the lift and bangs his knee right onto a block of ice. Like glacier ice up there lol it may as well been a piece of iron. Bad way to start the day...
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Last Sunday it got up to 73 degrees and I went with my friend to take his boys (6 and 8) for some slush boarding that night. Bad thing was that it got too hot and the massive amount of water combined with the "snow" to make one giant sheet of ice. Having kids try to falling leaf down and just falling on ice over and over makes for a hellish time. We went down twice. The second time was only to get back to the lodge.
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