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Old 04-26-2011, 09:06 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Someone should address the little tots that ride through the park and wind up in front of large hits (sometimes while the parents just watch and giggle!). This seems to be a more important issue because if I come over a 30+ ft jump and land on a kid, the helmet may help a little but there are definitely no guarantees that the helmet will keep the kid alive in this situation.

EDIT: And I'm not against the helmets for kids, but taking the time to make this a law seems a bit much... I think the parents have a right to make their own decisions, however agreeable or disagreeable they may be to anyone.

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Old 04-26-2011, 09:29 AM   #42 (permalink)
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laws will happen no matter what you want and no matter what logic is used to refute them
so therefore we should just let them run roughshod over our lives & what remains of our freedom, because they will happen no matter what.

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Old 04-26-2011, 10:20 AM   #43 (permalink)
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This year Copper had a rule that any kids taking lessons had to wear a helmet. Don't know what other resorts are doing. I think that's good because I've taken big groups of kids skiing or riding and it can't hurt. That way there's no decision about being cool, etc.

But different state always have different laws. I moved to Colorado with no helmet laws for motorcyclists from Massachusetts where they have helmet laws. But when I wanted to get a new pair of glasses from my old ones, Colorado has a law against using the same prescription after a year! Very protective about your eyes here. I didn't know New Jersey had ski resorts. Maybe they're so small and crowded there are more accidents. Like the white ribbon of death all winter.
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:56 AM   #44 (permalink)
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It's definitely the sue logic he's agreeing with. That's become one of the biggest issues in this country is everyone just thinks they'll make a quick buck by suing people. Oh no my hot coffee was hot, oh no the wet floor was wet, oh no the disease infested hooker gave me herpes. People are becoming too scared to live because they'll get sued. I remember when I was a kid my friend fell in the neighbors yard and twisted his knee, the people that owned the house made my friends parents sign a piece of paper to not sue them. This was like in 87 now it's even more common place.
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:02 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Didn't New Jersey make it a law that makes you put down the safety lap bars on chairlifts? Sounds like more of the same over regulation by NJ. They are making safety rules that sound good but there has been no real demonstrated need for them. IDK about New Jersey but I think most deaths that occurred in Colorado this season involved people that were already wearing helmets, sustained injuries that a helmet wouldn't of helped prevent, or died an avalanche or snow related death. Given the hundreds of thousands, or millions (idk) of people that went to skiing/boarding this season, you are actually pretty safe statistically. If you don't ride off piste or a lot of park your chances are even smaller. I'm glad that I live CO now and avoid idiotic over regulation and in general a lot of 'big government' policies that plague the Eastern half of this country and California. If you have kids, it's YOUR job as a parent to keep them safe and out of trouble. Make them wear a helmet if you deem necessary but don't make my tax dollars do it for you!
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:11 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I don't feel like reading through this entire thread, but I think this is a much less complicated issue than everyone seems to be making it

On the most basic level, this is about the infringement of rights versus what most people on this forum would agree is a smart law. The problem lies in the fact that there is more to it than just black and white. I think everyone would agree, whether they wear a helmet or not, that wearing a helmet is a smarter decision than not wearing one. You all seem to have a problem with your rights being infringed upon, which is fine - but aren't there bigger issues to complain about than a state making it mandatory to wear a helmet under a certain age? I think it makes perfect sense - these kids are minors, are often dropped off by their parents, and are given the option to not wear their helmet, even if they have one. As a teenager, looking cool takes priority over safety or function, and their maturity isn't at the level where they can make an intelligent decision concerning their own safety.
When I was a teenager, I was a dumb asshole, and I did alot of things that could've left me seriously injured - I was lucky, but many people aren't, and if forcing kids to wear a helmet while snowboarding because they're too stupid to understand that they should be wearing one anyway is the only way to protect them, then I don't see anything wrong with it. As minors, their freedoms are limited anyway - they can't vote, drive, buy cigarettes, drink, look at porn, buy a lottery ticket, get married, etc...so who gives a shit if they have to wear a helmet? It's for their own good.

You're all acting as if the mean old government is coming to each and every house and supergluing a helmet to your head. If you're an adult, then this rule doesn't even apply to you. And if you're a teenager, wear your helmet so you're not a braindead moron before you're old enough to decide if you want to wear a helmet or not.

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Didn't New Jersey make it a law that makes you put down the safety lap bars on chairlifts? Sounds like more of the same over regulation by NJ. They are making safety rules that sound good but there has been no real demonstrated need for them. IDK about New Jersey but I think most deaths that occurred in Colorado this season involved people that were already wearing helmets, sustained injuries that a helmet wouldn't of helped prevent, or died an avalanche or snow related death.
All it takes it one person man. If forcing every kid to wear a helmet saves one kid's life, then it's worth it. Liam Neeson's wife hit her head, and 4 hours later she was dead... I didn't wear a helmet for awhile riding, and I hit my head..and it took that one hit to make me realize id rather wear a helmet every time just in case i fall that ONE time.
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:33 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Why do you need laws when you can have resort policy?
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Why do you need laws when you can have resort policy?
Just to play devil's advocate here: very, very few resorts have a "helmets mandatory" policy, even for kids under 18. So, the response to your question would be: "We need the law to do what the resorts can't or won't do on their own."

Of course this presupposes that helmets ought to be mandatory, so it's kind of circular argument...
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Just to play devil's advocate here: very, very few resorts have a "helmets mandatory" policy, even for kids under 18. So, the response to your question would be: "We need the law to do what the resorts can't or won't do on their own."

Of course this presupposes that helmets ought to be mandatory, so it's kind of circular argument...
Fair enough.. Good answer
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One thing I dislike is the fiery debate that this topic starts.

It's a law put on minors, but everyone begins to talk about their own freedom when they aren't even minors. Then it spills over to something like, "This is how it starts".

Well, it's already started and has been this way for a very long time. We can vote all we want and nothing will change. I'm not being pessimistic, just being realistic. What is all this finger pointing and complaining going to change? Nothing. The law has passed and that's that.

I don't care as long as it doesn't spill over to a mandatory helmet law for adults. I think it's good that minors are being forced to wear it. Screw the argument, "it should be up to the parents". No parent is perfect and far more are just "I don't give a flying F" types. Besides, what determined kid is honest? What's stopping them from acting like they are listening to their parents only to take the helmet off while they are riding? Do you seriously expect parents to ride with their kids 24/7? Minors (and many adults mind you) live with their parents. If they get hurt, guess who has responsibility for medical bills? First the parents. If they can't afford it, it's the tax payers'. This helmet law costs me nothing in comparison to what it is going cost me when kids get injured in a manner that otherwise wouldn't have happened had they been forced to wear a helmet. And in the end, kids aren't exactly known to make good judgment calls. Hell, I'm pushing 30 and still have a tough time with that haha.

Do I think there should be cops? Hell no. That's silly. Just revoke their passes.

And really guys, it's a helmet law. There's a lot more effed up stuff about our government. As for freedom? We are all free to move out of this country. You can't call people sheep if you yourself voluntarily choose to stay in a country that you feel is enslaving their citizens.

Honestly, what can you or I do about any of this? Is it really intruding on your life? Are you not going to snowboard anymore because a helmet law was passed? Did this ruin your dinner plans tonight? It's not going to affect me in any way. I was going to make my kid wear one anyway when the time comes to ride.

By the way, the seatbelt thing... I have no argument against that law. You only think it only affects you. If you get in a high speed crash on the freeway and your body flies out the window, you're body becomes a missile or at least a road obstacle. Now you're affecting other people. Mainly, you're affecting your passengers that choose to wear theirs. What's the point of me wearing my belt if a human projectile is flying around in the car during a crash?
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