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chupacabraman · 09-21-2011, 04:49 PM

All good suggestions. Old Subaru would be my top choice though for sure! (and what's great about the old ones is that you can lock-on the AWD... a huge advantage over newer models)

CMSbored · 09-21-2011, 04:58 PM

yeah, my brothers old brat was a beast with it locked in. my 03 is a manual so it has a viscous slip differential with power at 50%front 50%rear unless front or rear slips then it transfers power. almost 4wd but still just awd.

grafta · 09-21-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chupacabraman

All good suggestions. Old Subaru would be my top choice though for sure! (and what's great about the old ones is that you can lock-on the AWD... a huge advantage over newer models)

Interesting. So older models you could lock all four wheels together, so no limited slip even if traction breaks on one wheel? Could you unlock so part time 2WD?

Sorry, prob a stupid question. Not so 4WD savvy here

CMSbored · 09-21-2011, 05:11 PM

some older ones i think you could. but not %100 sure

the newer automatics can go 2wd but you are not supposed to

grafta · 09-21-2011, 05:16 PM

1991 Subaru Loyale wagon

"Selectable 4wd(push a button on the gear shifter to turn it on or off)."

That's pretty sick. Not an exciting car (Leone), but fairly tricked out none the less

chupacabraman · 09-21-2011, 06:07 PM

That looks like a good deal. Timing belt is important, and it has that done. I'd go check that car out if I were you... and if it's good give him $800 no more.
Also, I think there's some stipulation in the Lower Mainland called "air-care" where you car has to pass emissions tests? I don't know the details about it, but for sure look into that before buying an old beater.
-- Edit --
Has winter tires, and those alone are worth $400+. Not that you need them in the Lower Mainland LOL.

CheeseForSteeze · 09-21-2011, 06:28 PM

I'm not sure about the non-Imprezas, but the Impreza and WRX since MY 2000 (the bug eye models) use 3 visciously coupled differentials to distribute power. The central diff is a planeviscously coupled unit controlled hydraulic electronic instruments and distributes between the front and rear axles and one between the each wheel on each axle. The autos have a hydraulic clutch planetary gear type differential. The STi trades out the central differential for an electro-magnetically controlled mechanically coupled DCCD (driver controlled central differential) to distribute power forward and backwards.

If one wheel loses traction its lack of resistance to torque will case it to spin just like an open differential but upon feeling the lack of torque delivery, the center viscous unit will send as much torque as it can to the other axle (up to 65% aft or 35% fore). As long as both of those wheels have traction, you can usually drive. Now, the DCCD in the STi's is really trick because you can lock the axles together and do a 50:50 split. I have dug myself into some 2+ foot snow and managed to rock myself out with the DCCD locked. It drives like shit on clear pavement around turns though like this.

Anyway, if the other Subbie models are like this than some snow tires and common sense and you should be able to get out of just about any situation provided you didn't jackass your way into some real bad shit, shit which you be stuck in no matter what you drive, unless you have something like a Wrangler Rubicon with a winch.

Yes Officer · 09-21-2011, 10:37 PM

If you can find my stolen 95 Acura Integra GSR you can have it bro. 5-spd 1.8L VTEC, great on gas, and was fun to drive.

CMSbored · 09-22-2011, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheeseForSteeze

I'm not sure about the non-Imprezas, but the Impreza and WRX since MY 2000 (the bug eye models) use 3 visciously coupled differentials to distribute power. The central diff is a planeviscously coupled unit controlled hydraulic electronic instruments and distributes between the front and rear axles and one between the each wheel on each axle. The autos have a hydraulic clutch planetary gear type differential. The STi trades out the central differential for an electro-magnetically controlled mechanically coupled DCCD (driver controlled central differential) to distribute power forward and backwards.

If one wheel loses traction its lack of resistance to torque will case it to spin just like an open differential but upon feeling the lack of torque delivery, the center viscous unit will send as much torque as it can to the other axle (up to 65% aft or 35% fore). As long as both of those wheels have traction, you can usually drive. Now, the DCCD in the STi's is really trick because you can lock the axles together and do a 50:50 split. I have dug myself into some 2+ foot snow and managed to rock myself out with the DCCD locked. It drives like shit on clear pavement around turns though like this.

Anyway, if the other Subbie models are like this than some snow tires and common sense and you should be able to get out of just about any situation provided you didn't jackass your way into some real bad shit, shit which you be stuck in no matter what you drive, unless you have something like a Wrangler Rubicon with a winch.

most dont have the dccd as i think that is more for launch control. but basically the same.

john doe · 09-22-2011, 07:50 AM

If you are driving through snow then you need a truck. If you are driving on snow then you need the smallest lightest car you can get with snow tires. The lighter a car is the easier it is to start stop and turn. Plus it will be far easier to get unstuck should that happen.

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CheeseForSteeze -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,716	I'm not sure about the non-Imprezas, but the Impreza and WRX since MY 2000 (the bug eye models) use 3 visciously coupled differentials to distribute power. The central diff is a planeviscously coupled unit controlled hydraulic electronic instruments and distributes between the front and rear axles and one between the each wheel on each axle. The autos have a hydraulic clutch planetary gear type differential. The STi trades out the central differential for an electro-magnetically controlled mechanically coupled DCCD (driver controlled central differential) to distribute power forward and backwards. If one wheel loses traction its lack of resistance to torque will case it to spin just like an open differential but upon feeling the lack of torque delivery, the center viscous unit will send as much torque as it can to the other axle (up to 65% aft or 35% fore). As long as both of those wheels have traction, you can usually drive. Now, the DCCD in the STi's is really trick because you can lock the axles together and do a 50:50 split. I have dug myself into some 2+ foot snow and managed to rock myself out with the DCCD locked. It drives like shit on clear pavement around turns though like this. Anyway, if the other Subbie models are like this than some snow tires and common sense and you should be able to get out of just about any situation provided you didn't jackass your way into some real bad shit, shit which you be stuck in no matter what you drive, unless you have something like a Wrangler Rubicon with a winch. Last edited by CheeseForSteeze; 09-21-2011 at 06:30 PM.

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john doe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,245	If you are driving through snow then you need a truck. If you are driving on snow then you need the smallest lightest car you can get with snow tires. The lighter a car is the easier it is to start stop and turn. Plus it will be far easier to get unstuck should that happen. __________________ 2011 Smokin Buck Ferton 155 2013 Flow NX2-SE 2013 Flow Hylite boa Burton Stagger pants/jacket Smith I/O

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09-21-2011, 04:49 PM	#31 (permalink)
chupacabraman Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Revy Posts: 861	All good suggestions. Old Subaru would be my top choice though for sure! (and what's great about the old ones is that you can lock-on the AWD... a huge advantage over newer models)

09-21-2011, 04:58 PM	#32 (permalink)
CMSbored Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Laramie, WYO Posts: 457	yeah, my brothers old brat was a beast with it locked in. my 03 is a manual so it has a viscous slip differential with power at 50%front 50%rear unless front or rear slips then it transfers power. almost 4wd but still just awd.

09-21-2011, 05:11 PM	#34 (permalink)
CMSbored Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Laramie, WYO Posts: 457	some older ones i think you could. but not %100 sure the newer automatics can go 2wd but you are not supposed to

09-21-2011, 05:16 PM	#35 (permalink)
grafta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,752	1991 Subaru Loyale wagon "Selectable 4wd(push a button on the gear shifter to turn it on or off)." That's pretty sick. Not an exciting car (Leone), but fairly tricked out none the less

09-21-2011, 06:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
chupacabraman Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Revy Posts: 861	That looks like a good deal. Timing belt is important, and it has that done. I'd go check that car out if I were you... and if it's good give him $800 no more. Also, I think there's some stipulation in the Lower Mainland called "air-care" where you car has to pass emissions tests? I don't know the details about it, but for sure look into that before buying an old beater. -- Edit -- Has winter tires, and those alone are worth $400+. Not that you need them in the Lower Mainland LOL.

09-21-2011, 10:37 PM	#38 (permalink)
Yes Officer Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: CT Posts: 89	If you can find my stolen 95 Acura Integra GSR you can have it bro. 5-spd 1.8L VTEC, great on gas, and was fun to drive.