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Old 01-14-2012, 10:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Crazy Story! Summit At Snoqualmie: Snowboard Instructor hits skier

Found this on TGR today. Sounds a lot like snowbasin patroller part II...

Summit at Snoqualmie snowboard instructor runs over Daily Hiker | Daily Hiker

Normally I wouldn’t bother skiing in these conditions, but I had to stop by ski patrol as Snoqualmie wouldn’t return my calls after the accident. I had to refuse to leave before they’d let me talk to someone. Come to find out, the guy that ran Sarah over wasn’t just some random snowboarder. The guy was a Summit at Snoqualmie snowboard instructor.

I was eating lunch in the lodge at Summit East and happened to glance down at the pass the guy behind the counter was wearing. It was the exact same red pass the guy that ran into Sarah had been wearing. So, this guy was an employee.

All of a sudden it made sense why I hadn’t been able to get in contact with anyone at Snoqualmie after leaving 5+ messages. So, I headed over to the ski patrol office at central and asked to talk to one of the supervisors. They said they’d take my number and give me a call but I had enough. I wasn’t leaving until I got to speak to someone. After a 5-10 minute wait, a supervisor came out and spoke to me. He hadn’t read the reports but said someone would be calling me within 24 hours to talk. So, I went home.

It only took me roughly 10 more unreturned calls and a couple unreturned emails to Snoqualmie before I finally got a call back. I had called everyone I had a number for and had been hung up on by guest services. When the head of ski patrol finally called back, he dropped the bomb. The guy that hit Sarah was a snowboard instructor at Summit. However, he said the guy had said something along the lines of Sarah being on the “blind side” of his snowboard. So – as always – it wasn’t his fault.

If anyone should know the code of conduct the entire industry subscribes to, an instructor should. In fact, they’re tested on it as part of the level 1 AASI certification that they have to take before they can teach. Snoqualmie’s take on the matter is that he wasn’t officially working. So, it’s not their problem.

Apparently I’ve been a big enough pain in their side and I finally have a meeting with the head of the ski/snowboard school on Saturday. Unfortunately this means I have to make the hour drive out to Snoqualmie to do this.

We’ll see where this goes, but frankly I’m beyond pissed at this point. When it happened, the only words the guy said to me were that it was Sarah’s fault for the accident because she turned in front of him. At no point did he bother to check if she was alright while she was screaming in pain on the snow. At no point has he said he was sorry. At no point did he bother to call ski patrol. At no point has he shown the slightest amount of remorse like any decent human being would. Did he even bother to stick his snowboard in the snow so someone else wouldn’t run over Sarah if they didn’t see her laying in the snow? Nope. I had to put my own skis in an X above her for that.

All he did was sit in the snow and cry because he was going to get in trouble. Once an onlooker and I had flagged down ski patrol, the snowboard instructor took ski patrol’s attention away from Sarah to point out another snowboarder saying he had ‘only been going that fast’ and that it wasn’t his fault because she had turned in front of him.

As I told the head of ski patrol on the phone this week. It doesn’t matter if Sarah had been drunk, high, and doing jumping jacks on the slope. She had the right of way and it was the snowboarder’s responsibility to avoid her. It scares me that this guy is teaching another generation of snowboarders.

What happens now? God knows. Sarah’s season is almost certainly over at this point after a whopping 3 days on the snow. Last year she got in around 30 and I got in 35. That’s certainly not happening for either of us at this point. Hopefully something good will come out of the meeting on Saturday, but after my discussions with Snoqualmie so far, I’m not holding my breath.

All I am certain of at this point is that I’m never buying a season pass at Snoqualmie again.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Found more info on the story:

Slow down on the slopes | Daily Hiker

We had spent the day skiing and were on our way back to the car to head home when the incident occurred. I had stopped below a slow sign and was waiting for Sarah to catch up to me. Sarah was coming down the slope and was about to stack up beneath me. At this point, the guy you see in the photo above came down the run straight lining it the entire way. Sarah started to turn right and the guy ran in to her at full speed.

Sarah was lifted in to the air off her skis. Her skis came off and she was thrown roughly 15 ft down the hill. It was not a light landing. By the time she came to a stop she had at least done a 180 as her feet were facing down hill.

Thankfully the guy that hit her didn’t run and a guy named Ron that saw the entire incident stopped and called 911. We managed to flag down someone from ski patrol a minute or two later and the troops were summoned.

Sarah was eventually backboarded down to ski patrol and had what will most certainly be the most expensive ride home from the slopes she’ll ever have courtesy of a 37 minute ambulance ride to Swedish Medical in Issaquah. Thankfully after some x-rays, nothing was found to be broken. Since we always wear helmets while skiing, there thankfully weren’t any head or neck problems either. There’s just a ton of pain at this point and she’s probably going to be out of commission for at least a couple weeks.

Ski Patrol at Snoqualmie was fantastic the entire way. There are about 20 people to thank, but I didn’t get everyone’s name as it was a bit hectic to say the least. The people in the ER at Swedish Medical were also better than anyone could ever expect.

As for the guy that ran in to her, I have no idea what’s going to happen to him. I’m pushing for Snoqualmie to pull his season pass at a minimum, but we’ll see what happens.
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Wow. If hos account is even close to being accurate, this instructor is a major douchebag and the resort would be wise to go ahead and offer to pick upthe tab on any and all medical expenses and hope that makes the problem disappear.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Wow. If hos account is even close to being accurate, this instructor is a major douchebag and the resort would be wise to go ahead and offer to pick upthe tab on any and all medical expenses and hope that makes the problem disappear.
Why? He wasn't working. Would your employers pick up the tab if you ran over someone in your car on the way to work? Stop jumping on the bandwagon and think logically about what you are saying.

Getting hit sucks, i've been hit, skiing/riding is dangerous. The responsibility code wont protect you, you need to be proactive in your riding/skiing to keep yourself safe.

I have no actual idea what really happened in this story, as the person telling it seems to be exaggerating facts as he pleases to dramatize his article. First of all it was a season ending injury, then it was a couple of weeks out in addition to a bunch of other details that don't add up.

I have no idea if this relates to the incident, but I think people should be more aware of snowboarders blind spots. If you overtake a snowboarder on their blind spot and then hockey stop in front of them and get hit, whos fault is it? I know what the responsibility code says, but how is that avoidable.

"Hopefully something good will come out of the meeting on Saturday" Good? what good can come out of this situation?

Whatever the details are, its sucks to get hurt, and I hope the girl recovers quickly and wants to get back out there.
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Why? He wasn't working. Would your employers pick up the tab if you ran over someone in your car on the way to work? Stop jumping on the bandwagon and think logically about what you are saying.

Getting hit sucks, i've been hit, skiing/riding is dangerous. The responsibility code wont protect you, you need to be proactive in your riding/skiing to keep yourself safe.

I have no actual idea what really happened in this story, as the person telling it seems to be exaggerating facts as he pleases to dramatize his article. First of all it was a season ending injury, then it was a couple of weeks out in addition to a bunch of other details that don't add up.

I have no idea if this relates to the incident, but I think people should be more aware of snowboarders blind spots. If you overtake a snowboarder on their blind spot and then hockey stop in front of them and get hit, whos fault is it? I know what the responsibility code says, but how is that avoidable.

"Hopefully something good will come out of the meeting on Saturday" Good? what good can come out of this situation?

Whatever the details are, its sucks to get hurt, and I hope the girl recovers quickly and wants to get back out there.
If he was wearing his employee badge it can be assumed he was working. Whether or not he really was, he is still representing the company. At least that is how a court would see it.
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Why? He wasn't working. Would your employers pick up the tab if you ran over someone in your car on the way to work? Stop jumping on the bandwagon and think logically about what you are saying.

Getting hit sucks, i've been hit, skiing/riding is dangerous. The responsibility code wont protect you, you need to be proactive in your riding/skiing to keep yourself safe.

I have no actual idea what really happened in this story, as the person telling it seems to be exaggerating facts as he pleases to dramatize his article. First of all it was a season ending injury, then it was a couple of weeks out in addition to a bunch of other details that don't add up.

I have no idea if this relates to the incident, but I think people should be more aware of snowboarders blind spots. If you overtake a snowboarder on their blind spot and then hockey stop in front of them and get hit, whos fault is it? I know what the responsibility code says, but how is that avoidable.

"Hopefully something good will come out of the meeting on Saturday" Good? what good can come out of this situation?

Whatever the details are, its sucks to get hurt, and I hope the girl recovers quickly and wants to get back out there.
Sadly most people these days are too fucking stupid to realize this. People like to think that some rule is going to keep them safe at all times and like to throw common sense and caution out the window. I also doubt that the posters account of what happened is fully accurate either.

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If he was wearing his employee badge it can be assumed he was working. Whether or not he really was, he is still representing the company. At least that is how a court would see it.
If you had ever had a resort job before you'd know that part of the perks of having such employment entitles you to use of the facility anytime you please, including days you don't work.
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Why? He wasn't working. Would your employers pick up the tab if you ran over someone in your car on the way to work?
Not even close.

Say you're working retail at, let's say, Target.

You walk in the front doors, past all the red shopping carts, past the snack counter smelling their day old over salted popcorn. You realize you're running late, so you accelerate into a power-walk, which quickly turns into a light sprint. Sprinting towards the time clock, you suddenly peak down towards your watch - the clock strikes 9:01. Your sprint quickly turns into a run, then, out of nowhere. A 91 year old lady in a motorized cart pops out from behind the drama section of the DVD's. You plow over her, her popcorn and red and blue mixed ICEE go flying and spilling all over the glass where her grandsons twins have been playing the X-BOX 360 demo for 3 1/2 hours while she was shopping. Her 210lbs rascal does slow and awkward barrel roll, eventually landing right on top of her skull killing her instantly.

Okay, bad example.

But still, what do you think would happen to the kid who killed the 91 year old lady? He wasn't working, yet it was AT work.
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Agreed, the boarder is responsible not the resort.

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Getting hit sucks, i've been hit, skiing/riding is dangerous. The responsibility code wont protect you, you need to be proactive in your riding/skiing to keep yourself safe.
If people followed it, the code would protect you. Most people have no clue it even exist much less what it is comprised of. Being an instructor this guy has no excuse. He should have known better.

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I have no actual idea what really happened in this story, as the person telling it seems to be exaggerating facts as he pleases to dramatize his article. First of all it was a season ending injury, then it was a couple of weeks out in addition to a bunch of other details that don't add up.
While the injury details do seem a bit murky, the events leading to the accident seem simple. Slow moving downhill person turns to a stop and is struck by a fast moving person from above. If it's the spot I'm thinking of the boarder had to have had the skier in sight form a good distance above. No "blind side" issues and no possible excuse for hitting her.
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Not even close.

Say you're working retail at, let's say, Target.

You walk in the front doors, past all the red shopping carts, past the snack counter smelling their day old over salted popcorn. You realize you're running late, so you accelerate into a power-walk, which quickly turns into a light sprint. Sprinting towards the time clock, you suddenly peak down towards your watch - the clock strikes 9:01. Your sprint quickly turns into a run, then, out of nowhere. A 91 year old lady in a motorized cart pops out from behind the drama section of the DVD's. You plow over her, her popcorn and red and blue mixed ICEE go flying and spilling all over the glass where her grandsons twins have been playing the X-BOX 360 demo for 3 1/2 hours while she was shopping. Her 210lbs rascal does slow and awkward barrel roll, eventually landing right on top of her skull killing her instantly.

Okay, bad example.

But still, what do you think would happen to the kid who killed the 91 year old lady? He wasn't working, yet it was AT work.
Seems like you completely missed the point of his post. All he was suggesting was that it wasn't the resorts responsibility, do you agree with that or not. In you little story there would you consider Target to be responsible to be responsible for someone who isn't on the clock(even though it would be more accurate if you said he was just shopping)?
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If anyone should know the code of conduct the entire industry subscribes to, an instructor should. In fact, they’re tested on it as part of the level 1 AASI certification that they have to take before they can teach.
The writer is wrong on this. You need ten teaching hours before you can take the level one exam and you don't need to be certified to teach.
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