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Old 08-10-2012, 03:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:30 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm going to give you the gods honest truth about the snowboard industry from someone that's paid his dues, worked his ass up from the most grunt level, has done product development with companies, marketing, blah blah blah. This goes out to all you people thinking you know as well.

If you're going to be in the snowboard industry don't be in it because you wanted a "fun" job and you think it'll be cool. We have enough dumb fucks like that which contribute absolutely nothing to it and are just clock punchers doing the 9 to 5. Literally this industry for most jobs functions on a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 work schedule, trade shows, and on snow demo's are a bit different.

Oh but no that's not how the snowboard industry surely is. They party, shred, and sell fun for a living it has to be great. Fuck no it's a job that sucks your soul clean and you never ride.

Average days on snow as of the end of January for 90% of the snowboard industry that I work with is somewhere between 1 and 10. Average days on snow for me since I worked retail and ran the website? Over 100. See the difference here. Average days my friends in R & D get in their first three years? Maybe 25 a year counting trips to Hood in the summer to finalize product.

It is all who you know and what you can give them. Oh you have a college degree, cool, so does the kid sitting next to you, and the one next to him. But see that guy with the long hair, untucked shirt, and lack of professionalism? Yeah that guy over there was a pro, am, regional rider, shop kid, friend of a TM, friend of a rep, etc. etc. He worked in a shop, did some R&D and has 0 book learning in any capacity. He actually taught himself what he needs to know, this is the guy that's going to get the job over any of you. It gets even better if he has all that and then went to college and has a degree in mechanical engineering and what not. See Sean Tedore head designer for Capita for example or Paul McGinty from Ride.

Now you want to talk about necessary evils, we live in a capitalist economy a job is that evil to afford a life. But the fact that a job is somehow dictated as being what makes or breaks a person is bullshit. Some people it is, some people it isn't it's all in your choices in life. I'm not a rich man by any means in sense of money but I will say this I clocked more pow days while you were sitting in an office and that's priceless.

If you want a career that has you working more than living that's your choice and if you get joy from it cool, if you don't once again it's your choice. Me personally I realized at a young age that I would do whatever it took to snowboard as much as I can. I look around at my friends that shared those same goals. Ones divorced with a kid and works at a local garage as a shitty mechanic, another is a tile setter with 3 kids, 1 almost made it to being super pro then blew himself out and is now doing the PGA thing and killing it, another works in the marketing department at a resort riding over 150 days a year, and then there's me my choices have allowed me to shred more days a year than all of you people arguing combined, I work with hundreds of companies on various product development from boots to boards and outerwear, I've seen my ideas used in countless boards that bring people satisfaction. Maybe I'm an exception or maybe it was those career choices at 15 years old that paved the way for me to be able to do what I want.

The truth is the snowboard industry is high school, it's small, we all know each other, we don't like outsiders, degrees, education, etc. etc. don't mean shit to us. It's who you know, what you bring to the table by knowing these people, and a harder work ethic than a cubicle jockey punching keys trying to make it to the next day. 90% of all people in the industry got their start in a shop at some level and that retail floor position is valued more than people will admit.

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You're 16 and don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
All I got from your "speech" is that "it's all who you know", well your first post already told me that. Clearly you're too egotistic to give me any good advice. You just went on a rant about how amazing your life is while failing to give me any helpful information on how you achieved it. Once again, I am not a stereotype.

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Old 08-10-2012, 03:45 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Clearly you're too egotistic to give me any good advice. You just went on a rant about how amazing your life is while failing to give me any helpful information on how you achieved it. Once again, I am not a stereotype.
Hey Kid, WAKE THE FUCK UP

Not once in BAs post did he tell you not to pursue what you want, and I think he layed it out pretty well on what to expect.

You just want a pretty little shortcut road map that will lead you to your dream. You and all the other sniveling little bitches in this country just make me sick. It hard fucking world out there and you better get used to it or you will end up like so many in this country that covet what others have and blame it on what others have as unfair.

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I rather have a job contributing to the snowboard industry than have a job as a pencil pusher for some greedy corporate or government enterprise. This is how I see it: As long as I live in America, a capitalist country, I am going to have a 9-5 job that "sucks my soul clean, and I will never get to ride". So I might as well have a job where I am around things I like, even if it still might be as hard as any other job. And yes I do think it will be "fun" and "cool" to work in R&D, however, no I am not going to be a "dumb fuck clock puncher". I am not a stereotype. If I do get lucky enough to get into the industry, I will with no doubt be a great contribution to it. That is for sure.
Sounds to me like youre one of these new fangled communism/leftist socialism proponents. Your tone implies you loathe the capitalist system. Which is more or less built on an ideal called reasoned self interest. A job in the industry is also heavily reliant on this principle. Yourself comes first MOST of the time. If you don't keep that in mind you won't harbor the drive to push past the shitty parts of this path and you'll give up. You'll be surprised what things you find end up interesting you in college. And some of them maylead to a "pencil pushing" 9 to 5. Be ready for that. Someone has to sit in those cubicles.
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All I got from your "speech" is that "it's all who you know", well your first post already told me that. Clearly you're too egotistic to give me any good advice. You just went on a rant about how amazing your life is while failing to give me any helpful information on how you achieved it. Once again, I am not a stereotype.
You are a stereotype you represent the current crop of kids that has no sense of what the real world is like.

Take what you want from what I said but who is the one that made it happen vs who is the one that's looking from the outside?
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Old 08-11-2012, 01:32 AM   #46 (permalink)
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You're 16 and don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
Poignant. The whole thread condensed for the OP. If you can see the wisdom instead of how it hurts your feelers you are one step closer to that dream job buddy.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:54 AM   #47 (permalink)
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This is how I see it: As long as I live in America, a capitalist country, I am going to have a 9-5 job that "sucks my soul clean, and I will never get to ride".
You need to wake up and stop listening to the nonsense that gets passed to you and believe that it's the only route to life.

There are plenty of people not working those normal 9-5 jobs that suck your soul clean. They are thousands upon thousands of people who made businesses around what they love to do and are doing very well for themselves.

Some of those capitalists you hate so much are living amazing lives doing what they love to do.

Here's just one example in the snowboard industry: Can You Make A Very Good Living from Snowboard Training Videos? Yep.
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