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Old 10-28-2012, 12:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Big Air Landings: How would you Equate the forces,..

I've been checking out a lot of the Shred Vid's lately,.. (torturing myself in anticipation of SNOW!!) and as a NooB who has yet to "Get Any" big air. How would you guy's (...and/or Gal's) describe the forces involved in sticking those kinds of landings?? The riders in the vid's make it look easy & painless. (...not withstanding the occasional spectacular rag doll wipe-outs!)

I see all these boarders sailing thru the air,.. 30-40-60+ feet & more (...some of those Cliff Drops are straight up, freakin' INSANE!!) and I can't help wondering "exactly how hard are those landings??" What do you folks who have actually made those kinds of jumps, what would you equate those forces to? Jumping off the living room couch?? ...a 3-4 ft. step stool?? ...The roof?? What?

I mean, at 6ft. 220 lbs., 50+. If I just straight jumped off the roof of my house, (9-10 ft.high) ...I'd end up in traction for the entire season!

I was curious as I don't think I have read anyone describing the kinds of stresses they experience landing.
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Old 10-28-2012, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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IF you get your distances right and land IN the landing zone, the touchdown is like jumping down to the landing in your house from 2-3 stairs up. Depending how the jump is set up, it can be as smooth as an airplane coming in for a landing.

On the other hand, if you knuckle or clear the landing zone, it can feel like anything from jumping down the entire flight of stairs to dropping off the roof. I've knuckled some 20ft jumps and it rattles your teeth. I saw a guy knuckle a 30' step-down and he had to lie there a while before he could get up.

Us old guys have to be very deliberate about planning these things out. This season I'm going to use the roller beside the Northlands jump to establish proper approach speed before I actually start hitting the jump.
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Most of the time you're landing on an angle while moving forward. This helps a lot in dispersing the force and making the landings softer. The angle allows you to convert some of the force from landing into more speed. You would have to be really lucky to drop 50' with no forward momentum and come away unharmed.

If you actually fell from 40 feet it would look like this:
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Last season was my 1st real air experience and it started late in the season.

As Donutz said when you do it right it is nice and smooth. I have hit harder off a rail landing then a good jump landing.
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If you actually fell from 40 feet it would look like this:
Don't watch that. You really don't want to watch that.

These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.
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watch good landings and study the guys making jumps again Donutz points you in the right direction don't study the failures.
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DO watch the failures. you will learn way more than watching people stick it over and over again. just don't visualize the failures when you go to actually attempt it.

the bottom line is: keep momentum. good jumps have a long and usually steep landing. long so you can't overshoot it, steep so you keep your momentum.

lots of times even if you fall on a big jump, as long as its in the landing its not the end of the world. sure sometimes you instantly catch an edge at speed and slam your head or something hard into the snow, but alot of the time you just skid along on your back like a turtle and you'll be fine, hell even some tumbling ass over teakettle is ok - as long as you kept your downhill momentum.

by far the worst crashes are when things stop very quickly.

as far as landing big kickers goes, as long as you land smoothly and ride away (with speed) it just feels like you landed smoothly and rode away. its just like landing gear touching down. if it was a flatter landing and you stuck it you will have felt like you just absorbed the impact with your knees, quads, lower back, core and kinda muscled out the impact.
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ha! Thanks Guy's! I appreciate the 1st hand feedback on this!

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Don't watch that. You really don't want to watch that.

These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.
No worries Donutz!! I personally am far from ready to attempt anything like even the smaller jumps! As I said,.. I was simply curious because I really had no idea what I should expect from landing one if I ever did give it a try!! No real point of reference!

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watch good landings and study the guys making jumps again Donutz points you in the right direction don't study the failures.
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DO watch the failures. you will learn way more than watching people stick it over and over again. just don't visualize the failures when you go to actually attempt it.

the bottom line is: keep momentum. good jumps have a long and usually steep landing. long so you can't overshoot it, steep so you keep your momentum.

lots of times even if you fall on a big jump, as long as its in the landing its not the end of the world.

...alot of the time you just skid along on your back like a turtle and you'll be fine, hell even some tumbling ass over teakettle is ok - as long as you kept your downhill momentum.

by far the worst crashes are when things stop very quickly.
Slyder, Shred, thanks! I see the wisdom in both points of view!!
Of course I understood, intellectually anyways, the basic physics that forward momentum and downward landing trajectory would work on dispersing the forces of impact, but as I'm sure you would be the first to tell me,.. understanding it and experiencing it are obviously two completely different animals!!!

It still looks a little freaky and scary to me at this stage of my riding, but it's comforting to hear that when done correctly,.. (...after proper prep and a certain level of progression & mastery of the requisite skills!) I won't have to be able to withstand jumping off a 2 story building or anything to survive it! (...of course "That" probably wouldn't be bad if I could!!)
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
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When I landed my 1st park jump small by most standards 15-20 footer HUGE to me. Someone called it "air awareness" seeing what is going on while you are in the air.

My first jump was a blur, literally. I had my eyes open was concentrating. I remember popping of the lip nicely next thing I know I'm riding smoothly down the landing ramp and I don't recall seeing or experiencing a thing till I was nearly off the landing ramp. It is a weird feeling your first real jump, at least it was for me. As the day continued and I hit the jump line more and more I was "seeing" what was happening around me.

This actually scared me more than the landing, which was very clean for my 1st one. Just some more thoughts for ya
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This is a great thread.

First of all I have never made any jumps but I am looking forward to it one day.

But before you guys make your jumps, are you ever concerned that people before you might have got stuck (crashed or whatever other reasons) near your landing spot?

Unless we are talking about some 2 feet jumps, I guess it's not until you are in midair then you see if your tentative landing spot is clear or not. Right?
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