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SBK · 11-13-2012, 02:38 PM

Looks like they have been found alive and well.

Rainier is notoroious for weather, it can come in fast and nasty. The Muir snowfield can be in full whiteout conditions while a few thousand feet below at the parking lot it can be calm.

Also coming down in a whiteout is tricky, there are glaciers with dropoffs on both side and you can't follow the fall line because it leads to one of them.

A snowboarder rode to his death a few years ago trying to ride down in marginal conditions.

As far as rescue fees it is always talked about because all these rescues make the news and most of the public doesn't realize that the bulk of the rescuers are volunteers. Also the bulk of outdoor rescue money spent is not on these dramatic climber/boarder/adventurer types, but more on day hikers or kids who wander off a trail.

ComeBack_Kid · 11-13-2012, 02:46 PM

I know that the year I moved away from Hawaii, they started billing people for helicopter rescues when the people went out of their way to get into trouble.

For example, if they were hiking and ignored "stay on trail" signs, walked off of the main trail, then got lost. Or if there were "no swimming" signs, and they went swimming anyways and got swept out to sea.

The real deciding factor in whether or not they are given a bill for the rescue is if they ignored warnings and posted signs or acted recklessly.

I think that's how it should be nationally, including in snow rescue situations.

hikeswithdogs · 11-13-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmccright

In terms of taxes these people cost about 1% , compared to the people on welfare that think they need smart phones and BMWs provided by the tax payer.

This

So how do I buy a card or signup for the Utah S&R program if there is one?

david_z · 11-13-2012, 03:24 PM

Snowboarders Rescued After Spending Two Nights Trapped on Mount Rainier - ABC News

Looks like the rescue crews made it to them, both alive.

**killclimbz** · 11-13-2012, 03:32 PM

I don't know if Utah has one or not. They had Senate Bill 60 to create a program similar to Colorado's. I can only find mention of it from 2010 and nothing saying that it exists. Utah does use part of Hunting and Fishing license fees to go to a general fund for S&R reimbursement. So you could always purchase one of those. I don't know the coverage it offers, such as you are off the hook for S&R costs if your or my dumb ass needs them.

Keep in mind the S&R card in Colorado only covers you for the S&R portion of the costs. Flight for Life, ambulance, law enforcement agencies that get involved can also get you a bill.

Anyway, from what I can find, looks like it didn't pass. Not sure though. Your local outdoor retailer will probably know if a USAR card exists or not.

**killclimbz** · 11-13-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david_z

Snowboarders Rescued After Spending Two Nights Trapped on Mount Rainier - ABC News

Looks like the rescue crews made it to them, both alive.

Quote:

Derek Tyndall, 21, and Thomas Dale, 20, both from Indiana, were found alive, but their condition was not immediately known.

*facepalm*

Just had to be from a flat land state didn't they?

atr3yu · 11-14-2012, 06:01 PM

Snowboarders rescued on Mount Rainier - The Weather Network

That must have sucked for the night....

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11-13-2012, 02:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
SBK Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 90	Looks like they have been found alive and well. Rainier is notoroious for weather, it can come in fast and nasty. The Muir snowfield can be in full whiteout conditions while a few thousand feet below at the parking lot it can be calm. Also coming down in a whiteout is tricky, there are glaciers with dropoffs on both side and you can't follow the fall line because it leads to one of them. A snowboarder rode to his death a few years ago trying to ride down in marginal conditions. As far as rescue fees it is always talked about because all these rescues make the news and most of the public doesn't realize that the bulk of the rescuers are volunteers. Also the bulk of outdoor rescue money spent is not on these dramatic climber/boarder/adventurer types, but more on day hikers or kids who wander off a trail.

11-13-2012, 02:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
ComeBack_Kid Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 321	I know that the year I moved away from Hawaii, they started billing people for helicopter rescues when the people went out of their way to get into trouble. For example, if they were hiking and ignored "stay on trail" signs, walked off of the main trail, then got lost. Or if there were "no swimming" signs, and they went swimming anyways and got swept out to sea. The real deciding factor in whether or not they are given a bill for the rescue is if they ignored warnings and posted signs or acted recklessly. I think that's how it should be nationally, including in snow rescue situations.

11-13-2012, 03:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,176	I don't know if Utah has one or not. They had Senate Bill 60 to create a program similar to Colorado's. I can only find mention of it from 2010 and nothing saying that it exists. Utah does use part of Hunting and Fishing license fees to go to a general fund for S&R reimbursement. So you could always purchase one of those. I don't know the coverage it offers, such as you are off the hook for S&R costs if your or my dumb ass needs them. Keep in mind the S&R card in Colorado only covers you for the S&R portion of the costs. Flight for Life, ambulance, law enforcement agencies that get involved can also get you a bill. Anyway, from what I can find, looks like it didn't pass. Not sure though. Your local outdoor retailer will probably know if a USAR card exists or not.