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Old 12-06-2012, 01:27 PM   #181 (permalink)
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We are venturing way off topic here but....
If that is the case then why do anything except eat, sleep, shower, and procreate? Why read a magazine/look at art/do anything abstract that does not serve a specific, practical purpose? Being informed or well read or however you describe it can have unintentional benefits. Do you suppose that it was a skier that discovered/invented the thiosulfate used in hand warmers? The polymers used in modern skis, or a dozen other examples? Maybe you don't really mean to say that knowledge isn't useful, but that is what your argument is stating.
I feel like I have fallen down a rabbit hole. As it relates to snowboarding, I am suggesting that the content here is far more useful than the "rich content" at TGR for the masses. I am also talking specifically about snowboarding, not the inherent value of knowledge.

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He might learn that an airbag won't save his life if an avalanche drags him through trees and that Recco is a piss-poor alternative to having a beacon, pole, shovel, rope, and knowing how to use them. Or that if he ever does go into the BC that a basic avy course would be a better idea than blindly following some random bozo who might or might not know what they are doing.
Again you are mixing apples and lollipops here. Why would someone making their first resort trip need to worry themselves about a beacon, shovel and rope? Or an "avy" course?

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Are you suggesting that there isn't anything I could read on TGR that might help me make it down Beartooth at JHMR without having to check my speed with a side slip every couple of yards?
Largely.. yes I am suggesting just that. Please point me to some of the robust discussion of snowboarding technique for chutes? If its there I never seem to see it.

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It depends on the context. You can't learn to ride a motorcycle or ride a snowboard from reading about it on a forum, but you can certainly learn how to build/repair electronics and machines or how to field dress a wound (how is that for a random example?) well enough with only a book in front of you.
Pretty terrible example in my opinion. It shows you can follow directions not that you necessarily have learned or know anything. Give me someone that reads about a subject and has experience doing it.. For example, I am a pretty decent home cook.. have been doing it for a while and enjoy it. I'm certain that 9 times out of 10, I could cook something much better than someone that has only read about food and is following a recipe.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:49 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Lol, what a shitfest.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:58 PM   #183 (permalink)
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This tarzan dude really is a sociopath. After he posted about his first ever 4 day trip (he likes to call that a 'season') he is now bragging about how big of a desk jockey he is. And let's be honest, he is clearly better at being a jockey than he is at actually participating in snowsports.

Oh the beauty of this doucher trying to post at TGR.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:07 PM   #184 (permalink)
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I feel like I have fallen down a rabbit hole. As it relates to snowboarding, I am suggesting that the content here is far more useful than the "rich content" at TGR for the masses. I am also talking specifically about snowboarding, not the inherent value of knowledge.
Ok, having made that clear I will partially agree. As I said in my original post:
...there is good information and even some good people to be found on the forum.... but the chaff you have to wade through, and the garbage that many folks like to put on the board is considerable. .
That statement sums up my overall opinion.

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Again you are mixing apples and lollipops here. Why would someone making their first resort trip need to worry themselves about a beacon, shovel and rope? Or an "avy" course?
There is side country and BC access at many resorts. I admit that it would be very abnormal, but its not inconceivable that a new snowboarder might encounter such conditions. They might make a friend who takes them out of bounds on their last day out. Some hazards like tree wells can pop up in or out of bounds.

I feel like you are moving the goalposts a little bit here. Your original question was whether someone with my level of experience can really get much useful information from a forum with those kinds of posts. Yes, I can. A beginner, less so until they have more ancillary knowledge.... but there is still useful information to be gleaned nonetheless.

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Largely.. yes I am suggesting just that. Please point me to some of the robust discussion of snowboarding technique for chutes? If its there I never seem to see it.
As you have noted, riding technique is not discussed nearly as often compared to more general topics, but such information does exist there - snowboarding: heelside turns.


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Pretty terrible example in my opinion. It shows you can follow directions not that you necessarily have learned or know anything. Give me someone that reads about a subject and has experience doing it.. For example, I am a pretty decent home cook.. have been doing it for a while and enjoy it. I'm certain that 9 times out of 10, I could cook something much better than someone that has only read about food and is following a recipe.
That was just one example. There are many others. Using your topic of cooking, there are more than a couple of chemists who have probably been cooks for less time than you whose book knowledge would give them an edge in the kitchen. Some have even written books (Chemistry Of Cooking -- A Biochemist Explains The Chemistry Of Cooking ) and other dispel myths, like Alton Brown's advice that basting a turkey is a waste of time if you are trying to flavor the bird - Turkey Tips From Alton Brown: Don't Baste Or Stuff | WBUR & NPR )
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:43 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:12 PM   #186 (permalink)
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It's okay, name names! I will be the first one to fully admit, that my passion for debating political issues is high. Problem is though, many people tend to take that passion personally and interpret it as anger. This is especially true when a conservative sees a liberal actually show some backbone and have the balls to fight, sometimes savagely for their position. Liberals are supposed to be mousy little pussies; that's how conservatives paint them and their strategy has long been to just outshout and become more aggressive and liberals run away like cowards.

So, when you get a liberal who shouts back just as loud and gets just as aggressive, conservatives are shocked and confused so they label the liberal as angry and attacking. Yeah, I know the narrative well. The thing is, I am totally unapologetic abut fighting for the things I believe in and doing so aggressively.

That does not equate to anger though and the important thing to realize is that that a political forum is a place where that level of arguing is to be expected and thin skinned people tend to take offense easily. One thing you don't seam to mention is that some of us who will fight bitterly over a political difference in a political forum leave it at the door. Every member on this forum has seen me and some go at it toe toe in a political battle but when we talk in the gear or coaching threads is mutually respectful and friendly. This is the point blunted nose was making so many pages ago. New people jump to conclusions too soon without actually seeing the true long term interactions of senior members.

You bring up political battles in a thread that was the result of my having to moderate and lock a thread that became way too heated and personal over pro snowboarders. This had nothing to do with politics dude! Of all of shit storms I or the other admins and mods have to intervene, almost none are the result of the politics section. Every mod and admin will agree with me on this. I can't remember that last thread that needed to be locked in politics or the last member to get banned over a battle in politics.

We totally allow a much higher level of heated exchange in the politics section than elsewhere on the forum because that is the place fir that kind of exchange and why it is kept in it's own subforum. The gear, general, coaching, trips, etc section is an are we expect people to refrain from that and welcoming and friendly and helpful. We are going to moderate more in these sections because we want a different tone. It is not hypocrisy to react one way in the politics section then act and expect others to act a different way out here. There is a time a place for everything and what's okay in politics is not okay out here. I just think you don't fully understand these nuances, therefore you use politics as an example as you did.
Snowolf,

I'll agree with your point about not understanding the nuances between the political threads and others. I guess I never really drew a line between the two, however, it is not always politics...that was just an easy example to throw out, especially with the last election.

I guess I go with the motto of, If I wouldn't have the balls to say it to your face and be ready to throw down, then I shouldn't say it. I've deleted many threads I was about to post after I thought about how it would come across.

Not trying to force my opinion on anyone on here, just throwing it out there since it is my opinion.

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:42 PM   #187 (permalink)
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I respect your opinion and all but one thing you do need to understand with regard to this point that you made:



I think you may have assumed that I am one of those people who says things online that I would not say in person; this is truly not the case. I absolutely say the the things I say online in person as well. To be honest there is no need to be prepared to throw down either because again, a passionate, even heated argument for a position really is NOT a personal attack.

If you and I were sitting at bar or at a backyard picnic having the same discussion and I said the exact word with the exact same level of passion, you would also see that it is not anger or dislike as a person. Body language and all the nuances in face to face communications convey things that just cannot be transferred via written form.

This brings me back to the original point that Blunted Nose brought up; many things on a forum like this get misread and misinterpreted because people do not have enough time interacting with the people and they form an opinion and once they get that set in their mind, it becomes extremely difficult to alter their perception no matter how incorrect it is.

Getting back to politics for a second, since you brought it up as an example, when I attack a position, I am not attacking the individual. I can absolutely hate a person`s political viewpoint yet still like them as an individual and enjoy their company. Granted, we reach a mutual understanding at some point to just agree to disagree on that subject. This is the way it is online as well. if you recall, I and Outlyr battled ruthlessly for weeks and pages upon pages, yet the minute we were outside of the politics section, if was a very friendly relationship. He asked my advice on a NS deck and I helped him out and honestly, we both would enjoy riding together and having a beer and even throwing barbs at one another over politics.

Another factor that comes up is there have been a few people who have been on this forum in politics who don`t understand the personal relationship or online history that people have with each other and feel it is their place to stick their noses into other people`s business and tell others how they should act. I have had this happen to distraction where I might have a long history with someone and my comments seem to this unnamed busy body as "angry"; then comes the pages upon pages of argument with this person trying to explain that I am not angry and they don't know the history.

So, Krug, I totally see your point as seen from your vantage point, but it is not a truly accurate vantage point and I am just trying to get you to think about the fact that there can be dynamics going on that create impressions that are not really a reflection on the reality of the situation.

Again, this related directly to the very point Blunted Nose was making in his first post; take the time to get to know the senior members awhile before forming hard set opinions about them.

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You know what, I get your point and yes, you are right, takign things at face value aren't always necessarily what they seem. I guess I never really considered the dynamics behind the scene and that's my bad.

And actually, I have never considered you to be one that couldn't back their shit up both on an intellectual level and if backed into a corner...you seem to carry yourself well, though I don't know you personally, one can get a sense and make an educated guess.

Even though I have posted on here for a few years, I still consisder myself a NOOB and obviously am still learning the dynamics of this board

Thanks for taking the time,

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Old 12-07-2012, 12:13 AM   #188 (permalink)
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:12 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Riding was very good today. Things are looking up for the PNW. Will colder temps and precip quench this shit tornado of a thread?
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:00 AM   #190 (permalink)
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Riding was very good today. Things are looking up for the PNW. Will colder temps and precip quench this shit tornado of a thread?
No. I'm still angry at having to work weekdays



Ha, yeah this thread sucks... guessing you are right. Snow=lessdramasmorestoke
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