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Stupid shit going on.

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#1 ·
I have been reading trough this forum quite a bit now, and I am starting to see new people coming in and dissing all the smart people on this forum. First, you need to know that, i am using BA for example, these guys might come of as mean, insulting, and other obnoxious, but they are also smart as hell, have been part of the industry for a long time and usually know what they are talking about. I learned this the hard way and got a lot of shit for it, but i learned so much from these people its not even funny. They helped me when i was being a complete *** and when i wasn't, so please stop being ignorant and spend some time on the forum before beaking everyone.
#imsorryforretardiwas.
 
#100 ·
You can name names. If it's an honest feeling, bring it up. You may or may not be referring to me but I will gladly address your point which is a valid one. You're right to a degree. As I said earlier, this is not a democracy and not all members are equal. Not going to deny it nor apologize for it. There are interpersonal dynamics going here that a new member cannot possibly understand. In time though new members become veteran members and the dynamics become clear and understandable.

Length of membership is actually a small component in determining an individual's worth to the community. As an example, I just 86'd a shit stain that was one of the earliest members. It is really about contribution. Does a member bring something of value to the table? Do they help folks? Are they knowledgeable? Do they post great trip reports? Or are they constantly causing problems and being idiots and douchebags? You get the idea. As evidenced from my action, I don't care if a person has been here since the site went online, if all they bring to the table is trolling and douchebaggery, they are worth about as much as used shit paper. I always give them a few chances to chill out and heed the warnings but when they then give me the middle finger, they are flushed because to me they are just another turd in the sewer of life.

Think about what has gone on here as an example. Neither you or old dog have been threatened with banning. I and the moderator fully understand that the dynamics here is a learning curve. You're certainly not the first person to tangle with BA and you won't be the last. We see damn near every new member go through the process. You should have seen the fucking epic shit show my first encounter with BA was years ago!!! Over the years though I figured out the dynamics and we gradually grew to respect each other and I am proud to call the guy a friend!

You know that on most forums, the moderators would have just banned without asking any questions. It takes a lot to get banned from here so while at first this seemingly uneven handed moderating may seem unfair, the payoff is that when member proves themselves, they are in the country club for pretty much as long as they want to be.

Your observation and opinion is valid and not unimportant. The one thing about this site that you will learn is that can be totally honest with anyone including the moderators and admins. As long as you have not spent the last 5 or 6 years being a douche to everyone, you don't have anything to worry about and we all have bad days and we understand that. It really is a great community so stick around. I'm not supposed to reveal this but when NA is calling you a fucktard and telling you to go drink bleach, he's got an impish grin on! It's a little bit like when an Aussie calls someone a wanker or a cunt; it's really good natured banter!
Thanks for clearing that up Snowolf. I get what you're saying.
Hey, are you British? I am, and I recognize some of your terms (mum, wanker, etc.)
Or are you Canadian and that's just how they speak?
 
#103 ·
wow

wow, ive been away from the forums for a while.
The gear purchasing was done and the resorts werent open so not much snowboard stuff to talk about other than to get jealous of people who started riding 2 months ago (snowolf).

Apparently i've been missing a lot of drama but seriously i dont remember ever seeing anything like this on these threads. This would be considered a big fight on the Bodybuilding.com Teen forums and believe they see their fair shair of shit disturbers.

Anywase its good to be back, my local hill (i cant say mountain unfortunately) opened on friday and im here.
 
#105 ·
My take as a noob to this forum.... Last spring there's a lot of threads where I can pick up info on better riding techniques, equipment etc from the more experienced people

While there's still great new info here this fall, it has been more of



Maybe it's just early in the season. :laugh:
 
#123 · (Edited)
Yeah I know, after I reread it, I felt a little nauseous....:D


you all are a bunch of raging homosexuals. First everyone is all butt mad and the shat hit the fan, then we are all gathering around singing koombayah saying how much we love each other and explaining the "shit ive learned" here. This thread is an emotional roller coaster, and seems to be full of estrogen. We should get back to what this forum does best, provide helpful insight mixed in with tom foolery and ass hattery.



Can't wait to hit up some of the Apocalypse Parties on Friday 12-21-2012! I will be coaching on Mt. Hood that night. Going to be some fun times up there! Maybe that beastie will erupt.....LOL

For my December 21st ill be out off roading with some good friends in Pokatello and drinking the night away. It should be a fun end of the world wheeling trip and after party.
 
#127 ·
You're welcome to interpret things any way you choose but I have to wonder why you stay; your long running theme has been one of discontent and unhappiness with just about every aspect of our community.
Do you mean that I am one of a couple of folks that bother with legitimate criticism of the site, as opposed to posting "OMG snowforum suxx goat azz"?

This isn't a democracy and as a privately owned business, we reserve the right to run things as we see fit and what is in the best interests of of the site. If you or anyone else has a problem with that, no one is holding anyone hostage here and they are free to seek greener pastures. The facts don't support your position though and TGR and Epic Ski aren't nearly as lenient in their moderating and newbies are treated far better here. If you seriously think they don't have the good ole boy club aspect, you are delusional. The difference here is we are more up front and honest about it so people are more aware of the environment from the start.
Since you ask... I am still here, but less and less so. Besides the gripes I have already voiced, this site is starting to get as bad as myspace with all of the rollover popups and ads.

Regarding TGR and Epic... I really don't think there is much of a comparison between the content on TGR and the content here, or the general attitude on Epic and the general attitude here. Neither site is perfect, but this forum routinely combines the worse aspects of the other two. Go ahead and glance at first page of threads on either site and then come back here and do the same.
 
#128 ·
Do you mean that I am one of a couple of folks that bother with legitimate criticism of the site, as opposed to posting "OMG snowforum suxx goat azz"?

Since you ask... I am still here, but less and less so. Besides the gripes I have already voiced, this site is starting to get as bad as myspace with all of the rollover popups and ads.

Regarding TGR and Epic... I really don't think there is much of a comparison between the content on TGR and the content here, or the general attitude on Epic and the general attitude here. Neither site is perfect, but this forum routinely combines the worse aspects of the other two. Go ahead and glance at first page of threads on either site and then come back here and do the same.
...so what's the point you're trying to get at? That this forum is a terrible, terrible place and everyone should feel bad for being here?

It just sounds like you just don't like the people on this forum in general so... honestly why keep coming back at all? At this point you just look like you're trying to get the last word in to make yourself feel better...
 
#180 ·
Are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not get it? Background and deep knowledge is great if you are an enthusiast and just seeking knowledge. Nowhere did I say you had to "justify" reading anything. Knowledge is wonderful... I am talking about utility. Outside of the inherent benefits of expanding your mind, it doesn't do a whole lot for you if you don't partake in any of those activities to know that level of detail does it?
We are venturing way off topic here but....
If that is the case then why do anything except eat, sleep, shower, and procreate? Why read a magazine/look at art/do anything abstract that does not serve a specific, practical purpose? Being informed or well read or however you describe it can have unintentional benefits. Do you suppose that it was a skier that discovered/invented the thiosulfate used in hand warmers? The polymers used in modern skis, or a dozen other examples? Maybe you don't really mean to say that knowledge isn't useful, but that is what your argument is stating.


Sure they may learn something.. but what purpose does it serve the kid from jersey heading to Breck to know about the latest in beacon and airbag tech? What do they do with info on the plight of maggots looking to park in the Kirkwood lot overnight?
He might learn that an airbag won't save his life if an avalanche drags him through trees and that Recco is a piss-poor alternative to having a beacon, pole, shovel, rope, and knowing how to use them. Or that if he ever does go into the BC that a basic avy course would be a better idea than blindly following some random bozo who might or might not know what they are doing.

Where on earth did I say that or anything specifically about you and what you should or shouldn't read. I am disputing the utility of that "rich" content to the snowboarder of the masses that frequents this forum. I'm sure the tips area here has helped countless riders advance. TGR offers nothing of the sort.
Well, according to some folks on the forum I still haven't logged in enough time on the snow to tell an alpine board from a mono-ski. Are you suggesting that there isn't anything I could read on TGR that might help me make it down Beartooth at JHMR without having to check my speed with a side slip every couple of yards?

I'll tell you what has become clear ... you are the kind that thinks experience does not matter when you can read about it on a forum. I would point to your post in a thread about avalanche mitigation. You have zero perspective on the matter yet think because you are a learned sort (and avid TGR reader) you offer something of value. All your post really showed was a lack of perspective given mitigation (albeit not with bombs) does take place all the time with cornice drops and ski cuts. Its not an area I have much experience in so I am treading towards your schtick even commenting on the subject.
You should read what I have written a little more closely, because you have plain misunderstood me. Nowhere did I say that experience isn't valuable (if I did, point it out to me and I'll amend the statement).

You can read about things all you want, but its when you apply that knowledge through experience that you truly learn.
It depends on the context. You can't learn to ride a motorcycle or ride a snowboard from reading about it on a forum, but you can certainly learn how to build/repair electronics and machines or how to field dress a wound (how is that for a random example?) well enough with only a book in front of you.
 
#181 ·
We are venturing way off topic here but....
If that is the case then why do anything except eat, sleep, shower, and procreate? Why read a magazine/look at art/do anything abstract that does not serve a specific, practical purpose? Being informed or well read or however you describe it can have unintentional benefits. Do you suppose that it was a skier that discovered/invented the thiosulfate used in hand warmers? The polymers used in modern skis, or a dozen other examples? Maybe you don't really mean to say that knowledge isn't useful, but that is what your argument is stating.
I feel like I have fallen down a rabbit hole. As it relates to snowboarding, I am suggesting that the content here is far more useful than the "rich content" at TGR for the masses. I am also talking specifically about snowboarding, not the inherent value of knowledge.

He might learn that an airbag won't save his life if an avalanche drags him through trees and that Recco is a piss-poor alternative to having a beacon, pole, shovel, rope, and knowing how to use them. Or that if he ever does go into the BC that a basic avy course would be a better idea than blindly following some random bozo who might or might not know what they are doing.
Again you are mixing apples and lollipops here. Why would someone making their first resort trip need to worry themselves about a beacon, shovel and rope? Or an "avy" course?

Are you suggesting that there isn't anything I could read on TGR that might help me make it down Beartooth at JHMR without having to check my speed with a side slip every couple of yards?
Largely.. yes I am suggesting just that. Please point me to some of the robust discussion of snowboarding technique for chutes? If its there I never seem to see it.

It depends on the context. You can't learn to ride a motorcycle or ride a snowboard from reading about it on a forum, but you can certainly learn how to build/repair electronics and machines or how to field dress a wound (how is that for a random example?) well enough with only a book in front of you.
Pretty terrible example in my opinion. It shows you can follow directions not that you necessarily have learned or know anything. Give me someone that reads about a subject and has experience doing it.. For example, I am a pretty decent home cook.. have been doing it for a while and enjoy it. I'm certain that 9 times out of 10, I could cook something much better than someone that has only read about food and is following a recipe.
 
#135 ·
Let me help you with that. Imagine you're with a group of friends and you're talking smack at each other. Anyone listening in might think you were about to pull guns any moment, but you all know it's in fun, and it's really kind of a ritual. Now some bozo that no-one knows steps up and starts giving one or more of you the same kind of lip. Will you put up with it, or will you collectively give him a lesson in manners?

This forum is a "good-ol'-boys/girls" club to the extent that it's a community, and the regular people know each other. And by "know", I mean a lot of them are face-to-face friends, ride together, know each other by name, etc.

Where we run into problems is some noob comes on, thinks the trash-talk is the way to fit in, and starts insulting people right and left. And it's not "just in fun" when it's a stranger. You have to earn the right to talk to me that way.

The point is that when you join a community like this, you should spend some time on the sidelines figuring out the vibe, and who's who, and what's acceptable. Doing otherwise shows bad manners or poor judgement and gets treated as such.
 
#143 ·
I can't believe I just read through all 17 pages of this thread... I mean it's better than doing the work I'm supposed to be doing right now but I feel like I read through one of these every 6 months where someone gets butt hurt about something bans get threatened etc. The bottom line is this is the internet, everyone is tough behind a computer. Some people intentionally build their personalities on the internet a certain way because they have a specific agenda or brand they are trying to promote others are just straight up assholes and their internet persona is the same as who they are others are as nice as they appear etc. It is what it is, people need to either get over it or move on.

I've been through multiple forums with a lot of the key players in this conversation as well and while I'm way less active here now than I was a couple of years ago it blows my mind that some people haven't figured out how to interact with each other and keep it copacetic.

As far as MPD goes, Wolfie I know you two don't get along and haven't for about as long as I can remember but he's banned now... at this point there's no need to take shots at someone who can no longer defend himself. I'm not saying he's right or wrong or you're right or wrong because again I get the overall dynamic but like I said to take digs at a guy who has helped organize multiple in person, group meets of people on this forum is just not right and can't say anything in his own defense is not the right way to handle things.

Overall this site is way better handled by the mods and admins as well as most of the regular members than most forums you'll see. As for someone's post about there not being as much valuable content right now, as the season progresses you'll start seeing more quality content being put up. The summer and fall are the worst times for this forum as it's all about what gear should I buy and I'm ordering my boots mail order because nobody sells them near me type of shit. By January you'll get more of the lessons, trip reports and overall flame war content about what rider is killing it and how much Shaun White sucks etc.
 
#150 · (Edited)
:laugh::laugh: LMFAO!! :laugh::laugh:

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...OMG!!! Now everytime I read one of BA's posts,.. I hear Morgan Freeman narrating it!!!!!!
 
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