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Really? Because when faced with having to change our ways, we say fuck that, let's build biodomes instead! Maybe you can employ Pauly Shore, I hear he's low on cash

Maybe.

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Whilst I sympathize with your bad season and a half here in Japan we have had an early start to the season and tonnes of snow already.

My regular mountain wouldn't usually be open yet but I was in waist deep pow a few days ago.

I hear Russia is getting lots of snow and the alps too, clearly Canada is doing well also.

Certain parts of AMERICA are having a bad season, therefore winter is over forever.

Definitely a bummer, but calling anywhere other than America "anomalies" is a little self centered.
You are focusing on the wrong things here. I'm not arguing for the "end of winter," although that's always a possibility, I'm simply pointing out that taking one data point in one place (e.g. it's snowing more here than ever!) is a poor way to assess whether or not climate change is happening. Then I went on to warn that IF the Intermountain West continues its current 2-year trend we could be in for a heap of trouble. The comment about outliers and anomalies still stands, and I am not sure how it should be construed as insulting or "Americancentric." For all we know the bad snow year we're having right now is an anomaly, but the potential trend is what frightens me. Just like how Japan getting more snow this year is not indicative of anything until we've had a chance to see what the trends are over long periods of time in the region. Which is not to mention that some places will lose more than others due to climate change, and inadvertently some places will likely "win" by the definition of having places to snowboard.

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Maybe.

Keeps reminding me of sci-fi Anime, I swear every one of them portrays us fucking up the atmosphere and having to live in biodomes.

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Yep, another near record start for the Canadian rockies... Too bad about the states. Maybe god just hates them?
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Keeps reminding me of sci-fi Anime, I swear every one of them portrays us fucking up the atmosphere and having to live in biodomes.
And the fight scenes took FOREVER. I never liked that stuff as a kid, for that reason.
As for kid's shows, Power Rangers was the shit!

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You are focusing on the wrong things here. I'm not arguing for the "end of winter," although that's always a possibility, I'm simply pointing out that taking one data point in one place (e.g. it's snowing more here than ever!) is a poor way to assess whether or not climate change is happening....
One way to look at it is this: in any given year, a certain number of records will be broken. Either it's the warmest July 4th on record, or the rainiest Sept 20th, or the most consecutive days of rain in October, or what have you. One of the things I notice when they're doing the weather report on Global is they usually tell us what the high and low temps were today and when the record high and low temps were. Often they're decades ago. So records were being broken way back in the mid-twentieth.

However, what really measures how things are going are the total number of records broken in a given year. So for instance if in the 1960s on, 5 records (of any arbitrary list of measurements) were being broken in a year, and in the 70s it was 8 per year, and in the 80s it was 12 per year, and in the 90s it was 20 per year, etc, then you have a trend regardless of what the weather is doing in any particular area in any particular year.

Now mind you I just made those specific numbers up out of thin air, because the actual numbers would depend on how many data points you were tracking, and where. But the point is that more records are actually being broken more often in more places, and it's not just a case of more measurements. People have been tracking this stuff as closely as we track baseball statistics, and for longer.


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How was the winter in New Zealand this year? (I think during summer in North America)

If it stays good, I might get a vacation home there one day.
Absolutely horrible. Coronet Peak (one of the most popular resorts) had their worst snow in 28 years.

I'll be back again next season, hoping for much better snow.
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Finally starting to snow down here. Wolf Creek finally started getting snow too. I was getting worried. Looking like a powder for me over the weekend
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I'm in the Midwest and this weather has just sucked. We got real cold then a 68* day followed by rain, an entire resort of blown snow had disappeared. My local resort is still not fully open and not looking good for the week leading into Christmas break as well. A huge revenue generator that week when all the kids are off. I can actually visualize a 2 month riding season if this doesn't change soon. SAD!!!!!
Yep we're dealing with the same here in OH, 50's-high 20's, staying just outside of snowmaking temps at night. For our area, this is the worst start to the season I've ever seen.
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