Good riders, Bad Form? - Page 2 - Snowboarding Forum

hktrdr · 12-23-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slyder

You don't know what the mystery date is??

It's not like it is a universal term...

To the guy who asked the question: 'Mystery date' refers to the common but generally undesirable habit of having the back hand in front of the body/across the toe edge (like hugging a date) - this is especially counter-productive/bad form in toe-side turns.

slyder · 12-23-2012, 10:29 AM

wasn't trying to come off that way just a simple question. Ok maybe the 'is ??' made it appear that way....my bad.

There are so many terms I don't know. I goggled "Off Piste" today as our largest local hill is 700' feet and there is no where to ride other than the trail.
Hell the other day I got flamed for not knowing skinning, no biggie. another term I have no use for and no clue what it referenced

I was looking for an image to post of "mystery date" but goggle didn't really have any.

john doe · 12-23-2012, 11:46 AM

There is a lot of room for "bad form" in snowboardign as long as the very basics are taken care of. Weight centered and legs loose. The board doesn't care where your torso is. The reason that is taught as proper form is because until you learn to control your feet/legs then your torso will have an effect on what your feet/legs do. As you said it is a case of once you learn the rules you can break them. In fact almost all tricks require a breaking of the basic rules. Ruddering is bad unless your lining up for a trick and need to scrub speed with out making turns. Turning your torso is bad unless your trying to spin.

wrathfuldeity · 12-23-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

not AASI certified:

Perhaps form is relevant to the hill and style. Maybe we get ideas of form from "ideal or academic" from from teaching and/or from the perfectly groomed trail...which would be nice...perfectly predictable/repeatable run. However reality, at least at baker, the snow, conditions and the terrain often changes from day to day if not from hour to hour. Thus, on one hand its what ever gets you down the hill form. Alot of good riders around here, "is the real world"...hold on/hang on for as long or big as possible...yea maybe bad form but fun. Though folks like Temple (vid below) have great flowing form because of lots of power and great line selection.

DRIZZLE on Vimeo

chomps1211 · 12-23-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger

Personal Style > Robot Teaching Techniques!

...I admire the way you can oft times boil it right down to a couple word phrase that pretty much say's it all!!! I imagine following the "rules" is better suited for those of us without so much "Natural Athletic Ability!" At least in the beginning.

As for the "Mystery Date,.."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toecutter

I'm not quite sure what this means but I'm chuckling anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slyder

You don't know what the mystery date is??

Quote:

Originally Posted by hktrdr

It's not like it is a universal term... Mystery date' refers to the common but generally undesirable habit of having the back hand in front of the body/across the toe edge (like hugging a date) - this is especially counter-productive/bad form in toe-side turns.

N-a-a-h!! I was talking about how so many people on the hill look like "Chuck Woolery!"

(...Holy Fuck I'm Old!!)

Argo · 12-23-2012, 02:04 PM

Ne of the new employees that started recently is from our area, had boarded granit peak. When I took her down a black here she freaked out. She said it our blues are equal to double blacks in Illinois/Wisconsin where she rode before. I got her used to it now, pretty much. She can't straight line the lacks yet with my son and I but she can get down the blues alright... Vail is considered mild in terms of steepness..... You should bring your boys out here for a couple days and totally freak out.... Golden peak terrain park in vail and park lane in breck have more vertical feet than granite....

You can cam on my front lawn with mixie......Put those good techniques to use...

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Originally Posted by slyder

Chomps great observation and so true here at our resorts in WI as well.

What I personally noticed when I went to Granite Peak and was riding the double blacks. I had to VERY much concentrate on good form and I was able to ride them and have fun. That was where, (excuse wrong terminology) Snowolf taught me about dynamic movements??? and to really keep my weight on the front of the board to be able to control my turns.
I was not bombing these runs but very meticulously getting down, what to me was very steep runs, and GP does have them.
My whole point is if I wouldn't have been practicing this at our home hill on green/blue/blacks I wouldn't have been able to try these runs at the better resorts.

Also when I taught myself to ride switch is when I noticed bad habits in my normal riding. Starting over you really must emphasize the correct riding form.

Follow good form and I use all those people to teach/reinforce form to myself and my kids, especially me. My kids sometimes just say "I knoooow dad...." yet they open their shoulders anyway....

MistahTaki · 12-23-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShredLife

not AASI certified:

I would give them certificates

Clayton Bigsby · 12-23-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hktrdr

It's not like it is a universal term...

To the guy who asked the question: 'Mystery date' refers to the common but generally undesirable habit of having the back hand in front of the body/across the toe edge (like hugging a date) - this is especially counter-productive/bad form in toe-side turns.

Is this what you're talking about ? Snowboard carving technique: Extreme Carving Opus 3 - YouTube

You see this a lot in Europe and maybe Mt Hood for the race camps. Most riders today I feel dont know how to "carve", not turn but carve. Back in the day we used to compete and you competed in slalom and halfpipe, but over the years freestyle was where the money was, so slalom kinda died off (in the states), but there is still a handful of us old schoolers that enjoy carving. If you'd ever tried hardshell boots with plate binding on a race/slalom board you'd know it is a completely different style of riding and still fun to do on my All mtn boards. It gives you something to do if there's no fresh snow and killer groomers, give it a try, you might like it

Slush Puppie · 12-23-2012, 03:15 PM

This was pointed out to me on my very first day.

aka:

Shaking hands with the invisible man or
holding an invisible handbag

Also people using the plus/minus technique (rotating their shoulders into a + shape over the board, before swinging the board around back into a - shape.

In both cases it was pointed out that you can ride like this and some people can get down the hill just fine and plenty fast. I was shown a few people that were bombing down the hill just fine with both 'bad' techniques. (Once you see it, it's easy to recognise how untidy it looks). But that ultimately they'll hit a limit at some-point where it makes it hard for them to go further in their development.

If you're balanced and stable throughout a turn, then you can still use rotation etc to adjust if needed. But if you are off balance by default then anything unexpected and you're probably going to bite it.

That lesson has always stuck with me and I believe has had a positive effect on my own development.

12-23-2012, 10:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
slyder Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Milwaukee Suburbs Posts: 1,919	wasn't trying to come off that way just a simple question. Ok maybe the 'is ??' made it appear that way....my bad. There are so many terms I don't know. I goggled "Off Piste" today as our largest local hill is 700' feet and there is no where to ride other than the trail. Hell the other day I got flamed for not knowing skinning, no biggie. another term I have no use for and no clue what it referenced I was looking for an image to post of "mystery date" but goggle didn't really have any. __________________ Thanks -Slyder

12-23-2012, 11:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
john doe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,245	There is a lot of room for "bad form" in snowboardign as long as the very basics are taken care of. Weight centered and legs loose. The board doesn't care where your torso is. The reason that is taught as proper form is because until you learn to control your feet/legs then your torso will have an effect on what your feet/legs do. As you said it is a case of once you learn the rules you can break them. In fact almost all tricks require a breaking of the basic rules. Ruddering is bad unless your lining up for a trick and need to scrub speed with out making turns. Turning your torso is bad unless your trying to spin. __________________ 2011 Smokin Buck Ferton 155 2013 Flow NX2-SE 2013 Flow Hylite boa Burton Stagger pants/jacket Smith I/O

12-23-2012, 03:15 PM	#19 (permalink)
Slush Puppie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: looking west over the Atlantic Posts: 283	This was pointed out to me on my very first day. aka: Shaking hands with the invisible man or holding an invisible handbag Also people using the plus/minus technique (rotating their shoulders into a + shape over the board, before swinging the board around back into a - shape. In both cases it was pointed out that you can ride like this and some people can get down the hill just fine and plenty fast. I was shown a few people that were bombing down the hill just fine with both 'bad' techniques. (Once you see it, it's easy to recognise how untidy it looks). But that ultimately they'll hit a limit at some-point where it makes it hard for them to go further in their development. If you're balanced and stable throughout a turn, then you can still use rotation etc to adjust if needed. But if you are off balance by default then anything unexpected and you're probably going to bite it. That lesson has always stuck with me and I believe has had a positive effect on my own development. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. Richard Dawkins

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