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Old 01-18-2013, 02:17 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The economy, increasing prices of lift tickets ($119(!) at Vail), lack of decent snow for the past few seasons (Colorado is what, at less than 60% average snow pack for the season currently). I think this all contributes.

Judging by my nephews and their friends, I think snowboarders tend more toward the budget side of things then their skiing peers too. They'd rather build a ramp in their backyard or do rails at school yard then pay for a ticket to do similar stuff at a resort.

MSN Money had a very similar article today.

Actually, I think Vail is $129 a day now.

As for budget of snowboarders vs. skiers - I think its much cheaper to snowboard. Top of the line snowboard boots cost what, $400 maybe $500? My skier buddy (actually, most of my friends are skiers here) just dropped $1700 on new boots. $1700. That's more than my rent in the Denver suburbs combined with my seasonal rent in the mountains. High end snowboards cost $600-700, almost all skis cost that much. Bindings are super expensive for skiers as well. Shit is crazy, actually.

That all said, I actually enjoy riding with skiers. Ever been in a flat and think... damn I'm gonna have to unstrap and start skating? With my skier buddies around, they'll be ahead of me and use their pole to slingshot me forward. Not that that's the only reason, but its definitely a plus.
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:29 PM   #42 (permalink)
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As for budget of snowboarders vs. skiers - I think its much cheaper to snowboard. Top of the line snowboard boots cost what, $400 maybe $500? My skier buddy (actually, most of my friends are skiers here) just dropped $1700 on new boots. $1700. That's more than my rent in the Denver suburbs combined with my seasonal rent in the mountains. High end snowboards cost $600-700, almost all skis cost that much. Bindings are super expensive for skiers as well. Shit is crazy, actually.
You certainly can buy boards much more expensive than $600-700, that's probably the top of the mid-price range.

On average though I'd say you're 100% right. Most people pay $300-500 for a board, $200-250 for bindings, and $200-250 for boots. So $700-$1000 for a complete setup I would say is AVERAGE.

Skiers probably pay close to double that on average.
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No one counts your custom made mono skis dude.
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nice contribution to the forum, but seems like a slow news day at NYT.

I snowboard for me...don't care much for what's trendy. My boards aren't the norm and, even though I can (currently) afford the most premium equipment, my outerwear is medium-low end, my goggles even lower. It's just stuff that is the most functional for me/my local conditions. As long as it's still dumping snow and my mountain is still taking me to the top, I don't care what anyone else is doing.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:32 PM   #45 (permalink)
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No one counts your custom made mono skis dude.
What about the Burton Mystery?!? Boo ya...

There is a market of $700+ snowboards but it's small. Cause the average snowboarder is a poor "anti-establishment" hippy...
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:05 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Summit County isn't hitting the numbers it was just three years ago. The pinch is being felt up here. My building had it's first foreclosure and I got to see a forced eviction by the sheriff this summer.

Businesses that haven't adapted are seeing numbers off by more than 40%.
3 years ago we had snow. Snow brings a lot more people out. Just 3 years ago I was often walking out to my truck in the morning with a shovel in knee deep snow. The brush on my ice scraper did not cut it.

Back to the subject.

I don't contribute much in snowboard company profits. I have not bought a current season snowboard ever except one I proformed. I bought a used board this season, and have not bought any new snowboarding stuff for this season, except discounted boots. All of my stuff is either old or was bought very cheap. I had some of the most beat up looking equipment until I recently replaced boots, jacket, and started riding the new board.

I am poor, but I ride about 3-5 days a week. I can get to the mountain for free because of the bus and spend 0 dollars snowboarding. I never spend any money at the resort, except for some independent village businesses. I eat all their granola bars and drink the free cider. I probably cost them money. I have like 50 days thus far, so I have rode my monies worth on my 500 dollar pass. I worked 2 jobs in the summer and was working 60 hours a week for about a month, got a pass. the edge is there for me.

The snowboard companies need to rethink their marketing. I know so many people in my ski town who have children who never have been on the mountain. Maybe companies should start contributing to programs that introduce school age children to snowboarding in ski towns. There's so many kids in my neighborhood. Since a lot of these children are dependents for Vail employees, they already have a pass, but don't have equipment. They recently removed the school's ski/ride program too. A lot of the young adults who grew up here do not ski or snowboard.

I skied and rode when I was young and probably would not be snowboarding now if I never went as a child.

You would be surprised to find out how many people live in mountain towns actually don't ski or snowboard. A lot of people hate us snowboarders. So their kids don't either.

Another thing is young people might be spending all their money on all these fancy touch screen devices and technologies. Since I spend all my extra money on snowboarding, I have a 4 year old duct taped notebook computer. Can't buy no computer, dropped my tax return on a pass.
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You think I don't know we had snow 3 years ago? Kind of lived here for almost a whole decade kid. Should do your facts and check the economy along with the local tax roll and see where our money for your free bus comes from.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:01 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Here's my favorite quote from the article...

"One reason may be that snowboarding simply doesn’t have the rebel cachet that it once did. Skiing has appropriated everything from snowboarding’s swagger to its trendy clothing to technology like fat skis. Simply put, it’s cool to be on two planks again."

Oh god no. No it isn't. Like rollerblades vs. skateboards this recent surge of young kids wanting to ski instead of board will soon pass.
I think there's something in this. Snowboarding is great - especially in powder - but let's be honest here, you can do everything on skis now too (probably more, and faster). In Europe, at least, snowboarding is no longer "cooler" than skiing.

I know a few very good multi-discipline folk who have opted for skis and only really bring their boards out for heavy powder surf days. They insist skis are just easier and more flexible.
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I know a few very good multi-discipline folk who have opted for skis and only really bring their boards out for heavy powder surf days. They insist skis are just easier and more flexible.
I'll agree here. I don't even think of grabbing my snowboard on a hardpack day, and on big powder days skis have the advantage when the terrain flattens out. My rockered fat skis have as much or more surface area as my powder board, and I can't say I miss having to swim out of deep snow lying down on my board.

But...

I like snowboarding simply because of how it feels. Skis might have as much flotation and more adaptability, but those factors only are a part of the equation. Snowboarding in deep pow gives me more of a feeling of euphoria for some reason. I don't understand why really, because I'm sliding on snow either way but facing sideways versus facing forward.
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Where I ride on Mt. Hood, I am seeing a huge decrease in the crowds overall. While we are not having anything other than a mediocre winter, even on epic powder days, it is now rare for all parking lots to fill when just a few years ago, people were being turned away on peak days.

Now there is something I am seeing in my coaching activities that does seem to support the author`s opinion. In area ski schools, there is a HUGE increase in demand for ski lessons and a drop off for snowboard. I have never seen so many snowboard instructors having to cross train into skiing just to get work. Area resorts are paying their snowboard instructors to take ski lessons and are giving them free season rentals to free ski more to get more proficient at skiing so they can teach to higher level skiers. I am definitely seeing a noticeable trend favoring skiing over snowboarding for new people getting into snow sports.
question,would you do it if they ask you? i've seen more new people go for ski lessons than snowboard except yesterday, the bunny hill was full of riders and i thought that was cool.
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