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Old 01-18-2013, 03:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default intermediate snowboarder, just got back from trip with a few questions

hey I just got back from heavenly after snowboarding for 2 days and skiing for 1. I'm an expert skier and have been skiing for 20 years. I bought a snowboard recently and wanted to get better at boarding (probably been about 8 days total boarding). I have a burton process flying V 2013.

There were a few things I had trouble with and was wondering if someone could clear it up:

1) catwalks are a bitch. yes, I know this. I got stuck on the california trail mid day and it took me about 20 minutes to traverse across. It drained my energy completely and I had trouble turning (low energy) the rest of the day. Any tips to make cat walks easier?

2) this is sort of a follow up from the last question. I had a ton of trouble at the bottom of hills, basically when it was pretty flat. I just couldn't figure out how to go straight without feeling like i'm going to catch an edge. Do I lean forward or backward? Every time I tried staying on an edge, I would turn in that direction. However, trying to stay flat sucked too. how do I handle this?

3) strapping in after getting off the lift took me a few minutes each time, kind of annoying. I had to sit down and ratchet in so my boots felt nice and tight. any suggestions for making this process faster? my skiing partner was annoyed having to wait for me each time.

thanks!!
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1) I bomb into the flats

2) takes a bit, but you have to learn to stay on a very slight edge. I'm usually on my toes when doing this

3) Learn to strap in standing up, or get a pair of rear entry bindings or both
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I know it's fun to make new threads, BUT, there stickied thread full of this stuff > http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...ons-video.html

Aren't I nice for looking it up for you
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1) I bomb into the flats

2) takes a bit, but you have to learn to stay on a very slight edge. I'm usually on my toes when doing this

3) Learn to strap in standing up, or get a pair of rear entry bindings or both
interesting..didn't even know they made rear entry bindings. My board is a burton with channels...do they make rear entry for channels?
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I believe they make an adapter plate to put any bindings on the ICS channel thingy
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1) Maintain speed coming into them. Keep a low angle edge and change edges. Don't just stay in a 5 minute power squat with your hands on your knees like your taking a dump. Your thighs and calves will not be happy. I typically use a cross-under carve without much flex in the board and find this has me passing the vast majority. However, you'll need to learn to carve first so worry about that much later.

2) Generally you want your weight centered between your legs. Too much weight forward will cause the board to slow and the back will tend to spin out for newer riders (much like a car on ice). Too much weight on the back leg will increase speed a bit, but make it much harder to initiate turns. On flats, it is especially important to engage the sidecut of the board using flex. Initiate a toeside turn by driving your front legs shin toward your toes. Initiate heelside by opening up the front knee a bit. More experienced riders will be able to break these 'rules'.

3)You could get some hybrid step-ins but there is a performance hit. Tell your partner to relax. In time it won't take you more than 30 seconds.

Based on your questions, you're a beginner. There is nothing wrong with that. Generally when asking for advice, try to be as honest about your experience as possible.
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1) roll with every slight curve off the hill. Minimize drag as much as possible. and stay balanced. mastering the flats really just take time and miles, just try to be as efficient as possible. dont do the hop until you've wasted all your momentum or itll slow you down rather then give you a little umph. If im on a flat that Ive come to a stop, Ill do a little butter action to get going(fish walk as my kids call it...), but thats a whole other thing that just takes practice.

2) There will be a "perfect balance" position when your going straight and flat. This is were you'll feel the least amount of drag, and you will glide over the snow rather than plow through it. Generally i think I get there with a nice relaxed forward stance, meaning weight just slightly over the front foot to help point the board with momentum. I really try and use every bit of curvature of the run to help me along. if its even slightly higher on the right side, use the slope from right to left to push you. Note: on most flats its not almost obvious that theres a fall line, but there is.

3) ratchet in a home to practice if you want? Use boots and gloves. Also this is just an efficiency thing that you get better at over the seasons. As soon as I can see the lift area, im spotting for where Im gunna plop down and strap in. get off the lift asap, clear the zone asap, get to that spot asap. strap up. asap. Usually my ski friends are just finishing fixing their goggles or whatever and we're g2g.

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The tricky thing about Heavenly is that you START at the flat cat. There's a slight decline but really, unless it's nice and smoothed out from everyone riding, you're just gonna have to get low and carry what little speed you gain. Those little uphill (slight, slight) incline segments...probably gonna have to skate them. The last time I went, it was 8 inches of freshies, and I just ended up walking/skating most of it. Learning to board with 1 foot strapped in helps a lot.

The same goes with where it transitions for downhills to flats/inclines...get low, hold your speed, and hopefully you'll carry yourself over.

Finally for straping in, see if you can shove your foot into your binding standing up and get those straps on quick. Other than that, rear-entry bindings are your best bet, but I don't like them very much so I just try to ratchet everything down quick.
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1) Maintain speed coming into them. Keep a low angle edge and change edges. Don't just stay in a 5 minute power squat with your hands on your knees like your taking a dump. Your thighs and calves will not be happy. I typically use a cross-under carve without much flex in the board and find this has me passing the vast majority. However, you'll need to learn to carve first so worry about that much later.

2) Generally you want your weight centered between your legs. Too much weight forward will cause the board to slow and the back will tend to spin out for newer riders (much like a car on ice). Too much weight on the back leg will increase speed a bit, but make it much harder to initiate turns. On flats, it is especially important to engage the sidecut of the board using flex. Initiate a toeside turn by driving your front legs shin toward your toes. Initiate heelside by opening up the front knee a bit. More experienced riders will be able to break these 'rules'.

3)You could get some hybrid step-ins but there is a performance hit. Tell your partner to relax. In time it won't take you more than 30 seconds.

Based on your questions, you're a beginner. There is nothing wrong with that. Generally when asking for advice, try to be as honest about your experience as possible.
sorry, wasn't trying to overestimate my abilities...i'll say beginner from now on.

you mentioned a performance hit, can you elaborate on that? is there a hit even on the 2013 flow rear entry bindings?
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I will also say, if I know Im taking a flat cat right off the lift thats notorious for giving snowboards issues, ill just skate to wherever I need to and strap in there. Doesnt matter if I know I can make it or not, 90% of the time its easier, and makes more sense, to save the energy for the real run lol

If its a flat mid run, ill generally bomb the end. Just stay in control and speed check if necessary.
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