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Old 02-21-2013, 08:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree that reviewers should do it. I don't think the companies really want to be called on their claims, but if a reviewer wants to put those phrases out there then they should back them up.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I agree that reviewers should do it. I don't think the companies really want to be called on their claims, but if a reviewer wants to put those phrases out there then they should back them up.
This is the only reason I could think of that a company would not want to publish the data. If Libs basalt "HP" scheme only knocked off 10 grams... no one would pay 200 more for the upgraded board.

I just think review companies should sack up and weigh some shit. It would be so damn easy...

Thegoodride.com has the closest I've seen and actually gives equipment up to 5 stars based on weight, but thinking about the difference between a 3 and a 4... it doesn't really help much.
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Have you ever picked up 2 large pieces of wood that were the same size but had the exact same weight? If snowboards were made of composite materials (like bikes) then It would be easy to publish accurate weights, but I think anything with a wood core is going to vary too much from board to board when they are being produced, much like 2 of the same guitars can vary quite a bit in actual weight, because that's what happens when you make things out of natural products. That would be my guess as to why you don't see weights listed for snowboards.

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Old 02-21-2013, 08:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It doesn't matter.. IMO.

They get lighter each year which is all that matters. It may be a liability thing as well. Maybe the guy who sued subway for getting 11" foot-longs is a boarder? Can't be to careful these days

To many products to bother really, Bikes can be significantly heavier than other brands and affect the rider more than a snowboard. I'd say the Never Summer boards are some of the heavier boards I've owned, but I still like them.

... Excluding the antiques I used to ride, haha.

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Old 02-21-2013, 08:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Some companies do. Pretty sure my Raiden bindings and my NS snowboard had the weights advertised.
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This is the only reason I could think of that a company would not want to publish the data. If Libs basalt "HP" scheme only knocked off 10 grams... no one would pay 200 more for the upgraded board.

I just think review companies should sack up and weigh some shit. It would be so damn easy...

Thegoodride.com has the closest I've seen and actually gives equipment up to 5 stars based on weight, but thinking about the difference between a 3 and a 4... it doesn't really help much.
Of course TheGoodRide star ratings are also pretty much random and have no/little connection to actual weights (or in some cases even their own reviews).
Case in point: NS Cobra (which is a light deck) has the same 2 star 'average' weight rating as, say, my Skate Banana (which, in fact, does weigh more).
Still, it makes no difference in use - other then when lugging the board up the mountain maybe.
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Have you ever picked up 2 large pieces of wood that were the same size but had the exact same weight? If snowboards were made of composite materials (like bikes) then It would be easy to publish accurate weights, but I think anything with a wood core is going to vary too much from board to board when they are being produced, much like 2 of the same guitars can vary quite a bit in actual weight, because that's what happens when you make things out of natural products. That would be my guess as to why you don't see weights listed for snowboards.
Good point. I'm curious what the standard deviation would look like.

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Of course TheGoodRide star ratings are also pretty much random and have no/little connection to actual weights (or in some cases even their own reviews).
Case in point: NS Cobra (which is a light deck) has the same 2 star 'average' weight rating as, say, my Skate Banana (which, in fact, does weigh more).
Still, it makes no difference in use - other then when lugging the board up the mountain maybe.
Yeah, I was just saying they are the only people even attempting to quantify it.
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Yeah, I was just saying they are the only people even attempting to quantify it.
Which is actually pretty retarded - weight is an easily measured characteristic. So there is no need 'quantify' it (i.e., put a number to non-measurable variable). They should just measure it - as it is, they are doing exactly the same as the advertising guys in the companies: Declaring things 'lightweight' without any basis.

What they are really doing is rating 'how heavy the board/binding/boot feels to them' - which is probably more influenced by a bunch of factors other than weight.
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Not to mention board flex. My lighter board although the same flex rating as my heavier one (acc thegoodride and each brands rating/website), is not as flexy.
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Thegoodride.com has the closest I've seen and actually gives equipment up to 5 stars based on weight, but thinking about the difference between a 3 and a 4... it doesn't really help much.
They really should put the actual weight if they're going use weight as a category of evaluation.

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