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Old 03-15-2013, 02:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Whats wrong with a 0,0 stance anyway?

What's the problem with a 0, 0 stance? I rode 0, 0 for years...years ago. No one batted an eyelash. The other day I was watching the snowboardprofessor video about mounting bindings and the guy said no one should have a 0, 0 stance ever. I just saw it somewhere else on the forum. The first time I rented a board out here the rental guy wouldnt even give me a 0, 0 set up. But duck feels awkard as hell to me. I dont get what I am missing about the 0, 0 no-no.
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I remember 0,0 was the setup for rentals back in the day...1990ish. I never felt comfortable with duck myself. It feels perfectly natural until I actually strap the bindings on. I have rode 21,0 now for quite a while and I doubt I will ever mess with binding angles again.

I remember one time a buddy of mine rented a board and the bindings were setup pigeoned toed. Good thing I noticed it before he actually tried to strap these things on.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It depends on how your legs move. For most people, it's more natural to have toes pointed out some when bending knees/squatting. For a very small few, it's ok/comfy to be at 0-0 and squat.

For me, 0-0 would destroy my knees...
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Not only does 0,0 shred your knees but it also is generally provided less stability than toes pointed outward. Think about what your general athletic stance is when you're playing pretty much any sport. Or squatting.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There is absolutely zero wrong with running that stance as long as that is the way your legs bend. Your stance should be such that you can do a full squat with out any weird pressure or torquing of your knees, hips, and ankles.

My friend is pigeon toed. He rides at -3/3. Yes his toes are pointing toward each other. When he tried riding at 12/-12 it cut his ollie height in half. He's also the only adult I've seen W sit and he can't sit cross legged.
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Is 0, 0 not the proper form for a squat? Thats how I have always done them anyway. Its supposed to reduce low back strain or something. I dont really know the mechanics of it. Yeah Whenwas when I started riding and 0, 0 was the default.
So its harder on the knees? It seems like the +12.+12 of a step in carver would be easier on the knees. I feel like riding duck makes it wierder to use your knees to enter a carve.
Anyone know the mechanics? I'm gonna ask my physiatrist.
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i think we can get used to just about anything, even if some say a given stance is 'better', we are all different....experiment around imo

no one will ever convince me duck is a good carving stance, even though obviously many can do it...i like to be forward on both feet, and this has never stopped me riding fakie like a mfkr either, carving fakie too

whatever floats yer boat imo, it's up to you to find it
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A buddy of mine rides 0/-15. Yes, neutral in the front and ducked in the back.
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have a question for you related to this Snowolf. I've read in numerous places that if you have your front foot angled too shallow, say less than 12 degrees, that it makes turning "unnecessarily difficult". This whole season I've been going back and forth between +12 and +9 on my front foot, +12 being the new angle I keep testing out, mainly because I read somewhere that anything less than +12 is not generally recommended.

I am comfortable enough riding either way, but there certainly is a noticeable difference between these two settings for me. The biggest thing I notice is that with the +12 setting I seem to have more difficulty initiating toeside turns on steeper hills and when I try to ride a heelside edge on flatter slopes for speed it tends to pull me into a heelside turn when I don't want to. Does this make any sense?

I've been tempted to go back to the +9 angle because these problems seem to lessen somewhat when I do but I was under the impression that no one really runs anything less than +12 on the front foot.

Also, if you have the time, can you comment specifically how a deeper angle (i.e. -6 vs -3) on your back foot affects your turning? I used to ride +9, -3 but went to -6 on the back foot a couple of times this year and can't really decide whether I like it or not.

Thanks in advance for any insight on this. All the things I've read done seem to address how angles affect your riding aside from the generic "three types of stance, apline, duck, etc." I have a hard time finding info on how stance angles affect turning and what not.

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I'm gonna try pidegon and see what it feels like. The 6 -6 duck was awkward to me but maybe I should have stuck to it more than 3 runs. .
I was just curious because the strong language surrounding the 0, 0 stance that I've seen/heard in multiple places was wierding me out. Combined with the death look I got from rental guy when asking for 0, 0 at Northstar I was just worried I was going to break something. Lol
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