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Very Sad . My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims family's and friends. Its a dangerous sport.
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Just read this blog, very insightful, good pictures and diagrams.

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wow, that article was super-critical of the group's decisions that day...seems it will always remain a mystery why they chose to go the way they did, maybe the survivor will be able to eventually shed some light
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wow, that article was super-critical of the group's decisions that day...seems it will always remain a mystery why they chose to go the way they did, maybe the survivor will be able to eventually shed some light
As critical as it was, it seemed to be pretty sympathetic. It is so easy to make small mistakes and have just 1 kill you. I feel that the blogger was trying to not allow sympathy to affect his objective study of the event, which was really comprehensive imo.

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totally agree, objective analysis, i think it was really well done, he seemed genuinely mystified why they went the way they did, and where they were planning to go from there....some of the comments to the blog were very good too
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Quite frankly I think Lou was being abrasive, condescending, and a bit of an asshole with this one. He certainly was not that judgmental of the Stevens Pass or Steve Romeo incidents. The big difference? Skiers is those accidents. Granted Lou considered Steve Romeo a peer.

I respect Lou and he has been doing the backcountry game for longer than just about anyone I know. I have one partner who has maybe been around as long as Lou. Lou also has a dream tick list of descents he has done. I was glad for analysis, but I also find that a lot of it is maybe not so spot on. The so called safe path. Not 100% sure of that. Not sure on being in danger right out the car door either. S&R used that same route in mass for the rescue. S&R generally does not expose their team members to dangerous situations.

There is no question that going out on that ridge was a bad choice. I am stumped by it myself. Before this event happened I was super wary of getting on terrain near and above treeline with large consequence. Made the call a week earlier to not go for the Silver on Buffalo because of snow fall and consequence. Then Harrison went huge, then the Vail pass accident. Certainly the warning was there that we were back to mid winter and lines that could big were going big. So no idea why a terrain trap like that would be chosen, and I think that has stumped Lou too. It just seems like a bit of that snowboarder contempt from the old days seeped through on two of his blogs. Maybe it is just frustration from so many horrible accidents that were completely avoidable in the last two seasons.

Yes there is a lot to be learned from his posts. I just really wish he had of done a classier job presenting this. Lou is better than this.
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Quite frankly I think Lou was being abrasive, condescending, and a bit of an asshole with this one. He certainly was not that judgmental of the Stevens Pass or Steve Romeo incidents. The big difference? Skiers is those accidents. Granted Lou considered Steve Romeo a peer.

I respect Lou and he has been doing the backcountry game for longer than just about anyone I know. I have one partner who has maybe been around as long as Lou. Lou also has a dream tick list of descents he has done. I was glad for analysis, but I also find that a lot of it is maybe not so spot on. The so called safe path. Not 100% sure of that. Not sure on being in danger right out the car door either. S&R used that same route in mass for the rescue. S&R generally does not expose their team members to dangerous situations.

There is no question that going out on that ridge was a bad choice. I am stumped by it myself. Before this event happened I was super wary of getting on terrain near and above treeline with large consequence. Made the call a week earlier to not go for the Silver on Buffalo because of snow fall and consequence. Then Harrison went huge, then the Vail pass accident. Certainly the warning was there that we were back to mid winter and lines that could big were going big. So no idea why a terrain trap like that would be chosen, and I think that has stumped Lou too. It just seems like a bit of that snowboarder contempt from the old days seeped through on two of his blogs. Maybe it is just frustration from so many horrible accidents that were completely avoidable in the last two seasons.

Yes there is a lot to be learned from his posts. I just really wish he had of done a classier job presenting this. Lou is better than this.
I was hoping for your input on this one as I'm pretty removed from the real players in the game. Still this happens within view of my local and all of this CO and UT tragedy lately....is just FUCK!

I spent about an hour reading through all the comments and his replies and didn't get through it all.

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I was kind of scratching my head about his "safe route" too. He certainly knows better than me, but he's still pretty damned exposed where he's exiting the trees and as to his route across the slope...

All I know is that if you told me that slope was gonna be bombed and you asked me if I felt safe standing there, not sure I'd be so confident about my choice at that time.
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One of the things I do know is that spot might be about the only one that makes sense to skin in from. Most of the terrain on that side of the pass is better traveled to by booting it. You have to go way out and drop a line that would require you to skin back out to get to the pass proper. Such as Grizzly Gulch. For a splitfest, it just doesn't help. Dry Gulch and Herman Gulch are better touring spots but they have their problems too.

A big problem is that the forest service won't let you run something like that on their land. So by using the closed ski area lot they were able to bypass problems with the fs of having tables and logos out. Otherwise this could of been held at a place like Bert. While people still get killed there, it is much harder to set off a slide of this magnitude and you would have to try really hard to expose 6 to that sort of danger on the up. I really wish the fs would change their rules a bit so that a free event like this could happen.
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I really wish the fs would change their rules a bit so that a free event like this could happen.
but all the hippies in boulder would get upset

Backcountry travel is such an issue in teh state to be fair tho, and the number of people heading out is just increasing constantly. Many people just don't give a fuck and can't wait to get out there and trash everything. Regardless of the special interest tree huggers and whatnot, its gotta be a real tightrope for the FS. Not to mention our ecosystem as a whole seems pretty fragile lately between beetlekill and drought (goddamn mountain lions and bears seem to be doing fine ).

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