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Old 05-29-2013, 05:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys,

Me and 4 friends went to Sainte Foy Tarentaise back in January (great place - thoroughly recommended if you haven't already gone there) and I've made a short film of our trip and times there.

None of us are very good boarders - 3 weeks experience tops spread over half a decade or so - but hopefully you guys enjoy the video!

I'll be going back again next year to improve further, so would welcome any comments or suggestions on the video, the snowboarding in it, or both!

For Vimeo: Lines in the Snow - skiing, snowboarding and good times in Sainte Foy Tarentaise on Vimeo

For YouTube: Lines in the Snow - skiing, snowboarding and good times in Sainte Foy Tarentaise - YouTube

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Old 05-29-2013, 07:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well first off, the youtube vid isn't playable in Canada due to copyright material...

Personally I watched about 10 minutes of it, randomly skipping ahead. Thirty minutes is a story not a little season edit! I would shorten it big time. All the cinematographic stuff is cool, but there was 5 mins before we got to any snowboarding at all.

Just my $0.02 of course!
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The video its self was well produced but I did find myself skipping forward because I lost interest a few times.

I think the lack of a story to tell makes 30min a little longer than my caffeine saturated brain will let me sit still.


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Old 05-30-2013, 05:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for your feedback guys - it's really helpful

poutanen - completely valid point about it being a story not a season edit, which is exactly what it's intended to be. I guess I was trying to take the viewer on a journey, which started back at home. I think I'm going to make a shorter edit that just focuses on snowboarding/skiing and gets to the action faster!

binarypie - thanks for being honest about losing interest! In all honestly, the people who are most engaged by it are the people who went, but as I wrote above I was actually trying to tell a story/take the viewer on a journey, so am interested that you say there's a lack of a story to tell. I guess verbally it's lacking, as there's no narration, but I did try to give it a clear "journey" type structure. Might have missed the mark though!

Thanks again for your feedback.

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poutanen - completely valid point about it being a story not a season edit, which is exactly what it's intended to be. I guess I was trying to take the viewer on a journey, which started back at home. I think I'm going to make a shorter edit that just focuses on snowboarding/skiing and gets to the action faster!
Yeah no worries... Just watch The Art of Flight to get an idea of how quickly it should transition from story into at least some boarding action. 6:18 they're right into it!
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What editing program did you use because god man some shots were so beautiful I had tears in my eyes.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well... My 2 cents worth... And i am no film maker i have to say...

It was a very well thought out, comprehensive, well made film of a holiday, from a film makers point of view. It doesn't however have anything of interest to the general public, which is a shame, because you certainly put it together well.

I'm not saying that you are not good enough with your skiing and your snowboarding, we are all where you have been, and i am still stuck there after 7 years... Haha. So don't think that.

I don't think you should be ashamed of your attempt, far from it, to burn this to DVD and give to your friends for there future memories, would be fantastic, and you are welcome on any holiday i go on... Because i like how you make a film... And for me it is about memories.

From a user perspective, anything between 3 minutes, and 10 minutes is plenty enough, and you will find that after 5 most people drift away... Just look at your stats on youtube for time watched in the analytics and you will get the picture, of what people will watch... Time wise i mean...

More regular holidays will improve your skiing/boarding no end, and you will no doubt keep making awesome home movies of this quality... And i'm sure your friends will be extremely grateful... I know i would be.

On a different note, i learnt to ride on the Smirnoff Ice board in your vid, which night club did this come from, or was it an ebay purchase, i found it a good board for learning, it is good right up to pushing in the park, then you will need to get something advanced, but great right up to you hitting advanced riding...

Also, can i ask what system and editing software you used, just curious...
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Yeah no worries... Just watch The Art of Flight to get an idea of how quickly it should transition from story into at least some boarding action. 6:18 they're right into it!
Ahh the Art of Flight. Funny you should mention it because it's my all time favourite ski/board vid!

That film was a huge part of inspiration for my own, and I actually looked at the timings of introduction/setup on Art of Flight to inform my own. Mine actually gets to some snowboarding action at around 5:30, so a little bit sooner but far less epic! Oh and of course, no Travis Rice! (what a legend).

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Well... My 2 cents worth... And i am no film maker i have to say...

It was a very well thought out, comprehensive, well made film of a holiday, from a film makers point of view. It doesn't however have anything of interest to the general public, which is a shame, because you certainly put it together well.

I'm not saying that you are not good enough with your skiing and your snowboarding, we are all where you have been, and i am still stuck there after 7 years... Haha. So don't think that.

I don't think you should be ashamed of your attempt, far from it, to burn this to DVD and give to your friends for there future memories, would be fantastic, and you are welcome on any holiday i go on... Because i like how you make a film... And for me it is about memories.

From a user perspective, anything between 3 minutes, and 10 minutes is plenty enough, and you will find that after 5 most people drift away... Just look at your stats on youtube for time watched in the analytics and you will get the picture, of what people will watch... Time wise i mean...

More regular holidays will improve your skiing/boarding no end, and you will no doubt keep making awesome home movies of this quality... And i'm sure your friends will be extremely grateful... I know i would be.

On a different note, i learnt to ride on the Smirnoff Ice board in your vid, which night club did this come from, or was it an ebay purchase, i found it a good board for learning, it is good right up to pushing in the park, then you will need to get something advanced, but great right up to you hitting advanced riding...

Also, can i ask what system and editing software you used, just curious...
Kevin,

Great feedback - thanks very much for going into so much detail.

Completely know what you mean re. the pitfall of not being particularly interesting to the general public. It's always going to mean far more to all of us that went, than to your regular guy who just wants some good snowboarding watchin'! As you rightly say - it's all about the memories.

Below 5mins is definitely a sweet spot I agree, particularly on YouTube. Vimeo is a tad more forgiving, but even so above 10 is pushing it. I myself react in a similar way to long videos, even though I might have the time to sit and watch them. My next will definitely be closer to the 5min mark I think.

Thanks for your kind words about the quality of the film, and to you too BigAL for the same - incidentally I edited with GoPro's CineForm Studio software (for cutting up original footage), then into Adobe After Effects (for post-processing) and then into Adobe Premiere Pro (for music, timings, putting it all together, etc). All on my desktop PC - hate Macs!

The Smirnoff Ice board was one of my friends' - I had the red bottomed Elan one (rented). I'm actually looking to buy my first board, so will keep that advice in mind!

Cheers,

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jesus dude thought this was ganna be a shaky gopro edit.

nice fucking editing and production
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