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Old 07-31-2013, 04:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Late this last season I had the good fortune to be at one of the Northern MI. resorts for an amazing 2 ft plus POW dump. Naturally, the dipstcks groomed most of it for the "Two Plank Skanks!" Grrrrrrrr!!!

I had all three of my boards with me, but with the fresh powder I naturally grabbed my 163W Arbor Roundhouse for the first runs. But I noticed that in the areas where they hadn't groomed the fresh, most of which were fairly flat btw, the Arbor kept "submarining" and bogging down in it.

I was certain it was me and my inexperience in riding those conditions until I strapped into my 157 NS Proto. Even tho it was much shorter and I exceeded the weight range for that size deck, it handled the untouched fresh much better than my Roundhouse. I stayed up on top, never sunk the nose of the board. It rode it well enough that I even had the false confidence to venture into the trees once or twice. (...with mixed results!)

With the length, width, and reg. camber of my Arbor, am I really going to need steeper terrain? Does this board's specs require that I be able to keep it at higher speeds in order to properly experience it's ride in POW!

With all that's been posted lately about longer vs shorter decks for pow, my experience with the shorter NS & Rome boards seems counter to what I expected! On "Real" terrain, real mountains and thigh deep (...or deeper) poo, will I find the experience to be reversed?

Tia for the input!
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Old 07-31-2013, 04:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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? I am a little confused. A rocker profile just works better in pow. End of story. So I am not really surprised. A cambered deck rides well enough, but it submarines at slower speeds quicker. You also should have your stance set back if you don't already.

You are kind of comparing apples to oranges. With similar profiles the larger deck is going to have more float. It just will.
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Ahh! Sorry, guess I wasn't really taking that into consideration. So less about the length of the board and more about the differences in the profiles? At least in those conditions.

But in the latter situation I described. Truely deep pow, on steeper terrain allowing for greater speed, at my specs of 6 ft. 235 lbs, wouldn't the Arbor be expected to out perform the shorter boards? Even with their hybrid & flat rocker profiles? (The Arbor is a directional twin, with almost 2 in. of setback on the boards center binding references. I am always riding it with a set back stance!) The Rome & NS are true twins, I ride them centered.
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you have 6 variables...I'm too brain dead to do a matrix
camber
rocker
length
speed
setback
depth of poo
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Profile is everthing. Rocker means shit if the nose is short and sharp. You want the nose to be more flat and gradually upturning like a surfboard. This is truely the most defining feature of a pow board.
On a camber board the more you set back the lower the nose actualy becomes causing further submarine action.
Speed = float
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you have 6 variables...I'm too brain dead to do a matrix
camber
rocker
length
speed
setback
depth of poo

Thanks, actually that does help. When I was first learning to ride, I read all about stance, angles, width, board length, etc. but when making adjustments to the various settings. Unless I Made a change that TOTALLY fucked things up, I was too inexperienced to really tell if a change helped or hurt my riding.

Now that I have a couple seasons behind me, I can notice more of the subtle differences in things. Knowing exactly what variables to take into consideration when riding in conditions I haven't ridden before will hopefully let me make better choices about which board to ride and why.

I know you, BA and others would tend to say, ""Riders skill > equipment!" My skill is not up to that level, so for me, gear is still a major factor!

Thanks again!
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Its always skill > equipment but the right equipment definately enhances the fun you can have.
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you have 6 variables...I'm too brain dead to do a matrix
camber
rocker
length
speed
setback
depth of poo
Not as simple as that.

How about taper? Degree of upturn? Width? Tip shape? Lots of other variables just for the board.
Then you have the environment: incline, temperature, humidity, etc.

Good luck with that matrix...
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Sounds like SW took over hktrdr's handle.... Too much thought on this shit going on.
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Lol.
Seriously though thought never killed anyone. And nobody has to read it if they dont want to . Its only if its getting pushed down your throat that it gets annoying.
I have different views to hk on a few things but he has the right to post his thoughts as much as anyone.
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