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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
*Please see my comment below regarding this


The last thread locked as a perfect example, the mods lock/destroy threads, but do not do anything to moderate. All the pics of hot chicks, then gay pics and a Mod abusing members with family personal attacks? Seriously, WTF?

Why not remove the off topic and abusive shit? Basically you reward people for being abusive, now that thread is permanent because you locked it.

Basically the spammers won. The topic was valid, the emotional tangents were valid, only derailed by members knowing you would not do anything.

Most people do whatever they want here to whomever they want, But instead of doing actual moderating, you lock threads without any accountability? Douchebaggery collectively.

Drunk with power is an understatement, and I imagine something will come to a head in an unrelated and unexpected way with these choices of karma and patterns of incompetence.

Here are a few Snowolf letters about what went down. WHile I don't agree with everything said, it clears up and many things proven in the last thread that was locked. I have much more compassion and understanding than just nuking people, but the bullying games do need to stop.

"See why I gave up?
Followed the drama on the I hate thread. See what I was up against as an admin who tried to bust up the frat boy circle jerk with that douchebag Killclimbz and his pet troll BA? When I started the Neversummer design team, BA led the attack against me after years of being the most helpful and friendly member of the forum. As an instructor, I was always helping folks with their riding. These usual suspects twisted it around and saw it as abusing my admin status so I had enough one night and deleted 6 years worth of posts.

It is truly the most dysfunctional forum I have ever seen and Killclimbz is the biggest reason for it. He is unfit to be an admin and is beyond arrogant and egocentric. Notice also that for the most part their clique comprises mostly people from Colorado? I hate that state with a passion because most people from Colorado that I have met are self absorbed pricks who think the universe revolves around Colorado!

It is amazing to behold the way this little circle jerk twists reality like that lame ass Donutz has done.

Killclimbz is about the dumbest thing on the planet too. How is Blake 1979 being "homophobic" by actually celebrating and promoting his gayness?????? Dumb fuck doesn't even know what homophobia even is.

The things you see are real and the forum regulars have drank the kool aid. I fought it non stop and tried to ban BA who is a full blown psychopath, by the way. I've met the guy and rode part of the day with him. Got away from him ASAP as I saw the mental instability as did my friends riding with me that day.

As for Killclimbz, he's a 250 pound wannabe who loves to toot his own horn about being some back country god. He's a poser! He tours an abandoned ski are a quarter mile from the highway and walks his dog. Dude spends way more time on the Internet in about 10 forums than he does actually snowboarding. I wouldn't rely on him in the back country; he is too damn stupid!

This forum is turning to shit faster than I could have imagined when I nuked my account. Neversummer won't have a thing to do with it after the way I was treated."

*admin note. This "email" was completely made up by sick-pow. These are not snowolf's words. SP has been removed from the forum for this. KC*

*My original post about this is here: http://www.snowboardingforum.com/snowboarding-general-chat/93649-moderator-discussion-21.html
 
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#2 · (Edited)
This is all very helpful to the bettering of the forum... :sarcasm:

And if anyone has an issue with my objectification of women, they can address me personally. I have yet to get one PM about it. Actually the only ones I've had have been positive (from women)... So. If anyone has a problem with me, get in touch with me and we can debate it! :)

:edit Just an FYI to all members of the forum. If you have a problem with any of my posts. DON'T HESITATE TO USE THE REPORT POST BUTTON. It is the yellow exclamation mark below my post count. I'm sure if the admins get complaints about me they'll address it with me.
 
#6 ·
No one cares, we like hot women, or men... but hey good job missing the point.

But.

The point is, you do it purposely so threads get locked. It is spamming and mods do nothing and only are supporting the abusive, off topic behavior.

Snowolf was a shitty mod too, but we put up with it because he made fair judgement calls for the most part.

This shit now, is.....well, almost abusive and might be just plain enabling abuse. Some 16 year old kid is going to fuck shit up I imagine, at some point, and it will be unforeseen and unexpected. Some crazy sicko will fall through the cracks, and cause some major shit.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Yawn

you missed it, all this TLDR ranting was done and you guys missed it.

edited for reading cuz i'm retarded

but seriously its yawnfest, being curbed now because nobody wants to relive it.

that quoted shit from SW just makes him look bad.

lameness.
 
#10 ·
This forum has never been about constructive conversation unless we are talking tech. That is pretty much the only time things are constructive.


The rest of it is just jokes, flames, rants and/or yoga pants.
 
#12 ·
Even in tech, people flip the fuck out on each other. Trolling is one thing, for funnies, but full on abusive 6th grade schoolyard tactics to people younger or less educated is ridiculous.

Flaming is one thing, but it crosses the line way too often.
 
#15 ·
I'm just suggesting that you take a chill pill, nobody is abusing you. Suggesting that you learn to interwebs from a child is funny, but not abusive.

Nor was what I said.

I don't wanna die a slow and painful death, but I'm counting on one anyway.
 
#17 ·
How do you know I have a child? because someone might know that, but i never offered that info to them IS abusive and stalking.


Looking back on many of your posts, you are part of the problem here. Suggesting "people go and die", "play on the interstate", "surprised they were even born", it is personal.

I knew you would not get it, that is your M.O.
 
#16 ·
You guys play stupid when the arrow is pointed at you. I can account for multiple attacks on many members and have many threads to prove it. Even before I joined. Thanks for suggesting to research by the way.

Shit talking between each other is acceptable in all aspects of life but attacking unfamiliar new to the scene members or guest is uncalled for. I talk mad shit between friends I know and we understand each other. But if I was to bad mouth someone I don't know, well I should expect an offended and pissed off reaction.

There is no limitations on particular members involved in trashing new members. You guys are too comfortable with your status and have lost general respect you'd otherwise have if in the streets.
 
#25 ·
It's weird that somebody would take that comment, on the Internet and made by somebody they don't know personally, as anything other than rhetoric. He probably DIDN'T know you have a kid/kids. And I doubt he cares.
 
#26 ·
Meh, it is a damned if we do damned if we don't scenario. We can be alpinezone, but I really don't want to police a forum like that. No one is "forced" to be here and most people are not forced to leave.

Sp, I apologize if you took offense to the kid thing. I wasn't insulting your child, in fact I think he/she has it more together than you do.

No I am not going to edit posts to keep a thread on "track". We'll just be right back here with the same complaints, probably from you. Threads generally get locked and sent adrift when they run far off the tracks.

There are a few things that probably can stand to change. Should be easy enough.
 
#27 ·
Dude! I hate the idea of posting something here and making an enemy of ANY of the long time veteran members here! (...whether I like them personally or not!) It's not why I come here! But at the risk of doing just that, Paranoia doesn't even begin to describe your reaction to an offhand comment!!!

It's NOT like Kilz posted pics of your kid(s) and spelled out their daily itinerary for every pedophile on the interwebz????! It was a jab, sure, but you were already poking and attacking him! (...with vulgarity and personal attacks, I might add that HE did NOT return in kind!!) He simply pointed out that "A Child", (Your child, if you had any!) could probably use the search function to find what you were going on and on about! You reaction went WAY overboard on that! No doubt those are unresolved personal issues you have!

You seemed to have missed a LOT more than just the SW drama!!!! In the last 6-7 months or so there has been a ridiculously annoying surge of Spammers, Trolls, and just plain ol dipshits around here! DCsnow is just the latest, in a fairly recent line including but not limited to Jetfalcon, Nasa, M2n, Blake, BM etc.!

Say what you will about the Mods, (...seriously tho? You stir all this shit back up again over a Mod you yourself refer to as "a Shitty Mod?" wtf?) But at least you did start a separate thread to air your butt hurt over it! :thumbsup:

I ask a serious question here to you and any others it applies to,..
If you don't like sarcasm, trash talk, dirty jokes, etc? WHY are you sticking around???????? Just so you can point out how morally superior you are to the rest of us?? And you wunder at our attitude and response towards That??? Go talk snowboarding in Church then!!! :blink: :dunno:

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#29 ·
if you have kids, and are on this forum. dont talk about your kids because burton avenger will tell them to jump in front of a truck and start to search the web for "brutal truck shotgun sucking incident in small ski town:.
 
#30 ·
:huh: What further evidence do you need that this little Butt Weasel Troll just got EXACTLY what he was looking for???

Compassion? ........my fat, pimply, hairy red ASS is more deserving of compassion than this twit!!!!!
 
#32 ·
When I started the Neversummer design team, BA led the attack against me after years of being the most helpful and friendly member of the forum.
I would like to point out here that during the time this whole NS design team was going on, BA was in Denver for SIA and the NS design team went to shit well before BA got thrown into the mix, which only even happened in the first place because people were trying to blame him for ruining it while he was at SIA. What ruined the NS design team was poor planning and execution.

Also Chomps, M2M really isn't that bad and I think you are giving him way more shit then he deserves. DC seems to be taking it in strides so thats good.
 
#38 ·
Also Chomps, M2M really isn't that bad and I think you are giving him way more shit then he deserves. DC seems to be taking it in strides so thats good.
+1
Chomps, dude, what's with all the over the top hostility?
Not like you brother.
M2M was a bit hard to take at first, but he's settled down and is trying to be reasonable. Adjust the goggles for a clearer view buddy.

DCSnow is still in the noob "full of excitement" stage and still a bit difficult to take imo. But I think he'll, um, mature - hopefully.:dunno:

I'll add that we also don't have to pile on vehemently to a post when someone joins just to sell something or conduct a survey.
First action should be to point them to the forum rules for such things (not everyone is aware of these).
If they ignore it, then hell yes, abuse away!

But it reflects poorly on the snowboarding community(or at least this forum) if a noob gets abused from the start imo, and word is likely to spread to not join the forum.
I don't think we want that.
 
#35 ·
can some admin please clean this up? i understand that people are mad or angry because i fucking post stuff but its not shit post. i dont like how all the vetteran members think they are the shit -- they are the ones that make threads closed... not me. i mean does ba really have to tell me to commit suicide? does chomps really have to insult my mother and father? i know its not serious, and i know they dont mean it, but fucking seriously?
 
#50 · (Edited)
Honestly, you need to stfu. Aside from being green as fuck, You are further proving the OP right. You do nothing more than cause unnecessary issues among members. as is represented by chomps response. And that's the OPs point in case. Instead of moderating your problematic child ass, we are told to accept and ignore you. It's retarded.

The OP has a point. The arguments seem to come from a defensive response. Cognitive dissonance. Google that shit. There really is no argument to the OPs point. It's a universal truth. There needs to be more respect towards members and threads. Arguing out of opinion is fucking irrelevant. The fact an issue exists means SOMETHING is out of line and at least needs some consideration.

Shit does need to be handled a little better. It's definitely different this season compared to the last year and a half.

I'm not pointing fingers at any admin as I have no experience with the personal attacks, rather this is a general observation. We all need a check, myself included
 
#36 ·
If I can add my $0.02, I don’t consider myself a veteran to this place but I do enjoy it. I come here for 1) the tech advice and 2) the laughs. No offense to JetFlacon or DCsnow but they add a certain spice to this place that I enjoy. I’m actually coming around the DC a little bit more now that I can see he has tough skin.

That being said, this place is rife with negativity. I’m over it at this point because I’ve “found my place” but for the couple years I’ve been here, I think I can count on one hand the number of constructive, useful disagreements I’ve seen. I’m generalizing a bit here but from what I’ve seen, if someone doesn’t agree with either your advice/opinion/whatever there is a very, very good chance you will be flamed. And not in a constructive way - the scales are immediately tipped to name-calling and profanity. It’s really 3rd grade recess bullying. Don’t get me wrong, some posts deserve to be flamed (I remember a certain someone listing like 10 different board recommendations with nothing else added on to any of them - how do you recommend 10 pieces of similar gear with no comparison or description between any of them!?)  this is the type of thing that is flame-on.

This is a harsh forum. I am a part of two other forums (activities outside of snowboarding that I’m passionate about) and have poked my head into a number of other communities, and all are wayyy more forgiving than this place.
 
#42 ·
Like every place on the internet one has to filter out the shit to find the gold. There is just too much content going about for the mods to possibly do it for you, as a member on any forum you gotta decide what & who is important to you and take or share what you can and dont take shit too personally.
 
#43 · (Edited)
Fwiw,.. You can go back as far as you like with my posts and prior to my finally flipping out about the BS with Just Flatulent, (jet flacon) I NEVER engaged in ANY personal attacks or abuse towards anyone here! (....whether I liked them personally or not!) Just a lot of good natured joking and sarcasm!

Prior to getting involved in the discussions here, I was somewhat of a Forum cherry. I wasn't aware that assholes like that, Trolls who drop into forums for no other reason than to stir up shit even existed! That was completely new to me!

....and since abusing them didn't work! They were here for just that sort of attention! Ignoring them however and posting pics of hot chicks? That did seem to work!!!! People calmed down with the agro attitude and started to laugh! Subsequently the Trolls lost interest when they were no longer the center of attention!

I will also add that the whole m2m, blake, bm mess came pretty much on the heels of the whole JF, Nasa thing and I will admit, I was pretty raw and not inclined to be too forgiving of additional bullshit! :dunno:
If m2m wishes to add me to his ignore list, I will continue to keep him on mine & we can both go about pursuing our separate interests here! I have no problem with that! I never expected to like or be liked by everybody! (...or anybody?) ;)
 
#44 · (Edited)
On the subject of moderation of the forum, you can have one of three different modes:

1) Usenet mode, where ANYTHING goes. Some of you are probably too young to have used usenet in its unfiltered form, but let's just say this: BA's posts are rainbows and bunnies compared to what went on there.

2) tech forums like stack-overflow, where NOTHING is allowed but technical QA on the subject of the thread. Even slightly off-topic technical comments get you slapped. They are very useful for finding out how to regenerate textures when your Device Context gets destroyed, but "community"? Not so much.

3) Somewhere in the middle. This is a huge spectrum between 1 and 2. Trying to draw a line at some particular point and say THIS IS RIGHT AND ALL OTHERS ARE WRONG is just silly. So sick-pow feels that our particular line in the sand is wrong and would prefer a different one. Fine, he's entitled to his opinion. He has 3 choices: Leave, put up with it, or try to change it. He's chosen 3 (I think). Also fine. But he's chosen to try to do it by calling everyone names. Presumable we'll suddenly feel a sense of shame and fall all over ourselves to appease him by adjusting things. Hm, no I don't think so. Sorry, that kind of manipulation may work on bad sitcoms, but in the real world we can kind of see it coming.

The level of oversight (or lack thereof) that we've chosen is intrinsically neither better nor worse than some other point on the spectrum. But it IS one that seems to be acceptable to most of the members most of the time, while not requiring the mods to take this on as a full-time job (you DO understand I do this during coffee breaks and such, right?). If we started getting a lot of members complaining (as opposed to a few members complaining a lot) we'd adjust things.

Meanwhile, has anyone noticed how a few calm words to chomps has had more effect than a bunch of out-of-control ranting? Hm, could there be a lesson there?

And DC, I don't know if you've noticed, but you're getting ragged on less these days than you were before. Of course you're also not posting as much weird shit as you were even recently. Hm, another lesson?

Why don't you ask Snow Owl (formerly tylerkat) about it? (Sorry to pick on you, dude). He was initially a bit of a PITA with bizarre comments about everyone not being "evolved" when he started, but after some "blunt feedback" he adjusted his behaviour and is now one of those horrible senior members some of you seem to think are "out to get" the rest of you. Hm, yet another lesson?

Look, in real life if you walked up to a group of people and started spewing garbage, you'd get told to go away (so to speak). Why does everyone seem to think they're immune when on the net? Yes, we take things from people we know that we wouldn't accept from strangers. Big duh! Yes, we can laugh off insults from someone we know and whose opinion we trust. Again, duh! Wanna be treated like someone whose opinion matters? Earn it! Want to become part of the community? Then go through the same steps you would in real life to try to fit in. Don't like the tone and don't want to fit in? Then go find another forum more to your liking.

Jesus H on a crutch, this is not rocket science.
 
#45 ·
First off we need to kick this off properly. YOGA PANTS!



The last thread locked as a perfect example, the mods lock/destroy threads, but do not do anything to moderate. All the pics of hot chicks, then gay pics and a Mod abusing members with family personal attacks? Seriously, WTF?

Why not remove the off topic and abusive shit? Basically you reward people for being abusive, now that thread is permanent because you locked it.

Basically the spammers won. The topic was valid, the emotional tangents were valid, only derailed by members knowing you would not do anything.

Most people do whatever they want here to whomever they want, But instead of doing actual moderating, you lock threads without any accountability? Douchebaggery collectively.

Drunk with power is an understatement, and I imagine something will come to a head in an unrelated and unexpected way with these choices of karma and patterns of incompetence.

Here are a few Snowolf letters about what went down. WHile I don't agree with everything said, it clears up and many things proven in the last thread that was locked. I have much more compassion and understanding than just nuking people, but the bullying games do need to stop.

"See why I gave up?
Followed the drama on the I hate thread. See what I was up against as an admin who tried to bust up the frat boy circle jerk with that douchebag Killclimbz and his pet troll BA? When I started the Neversummer design team, BA led the attack against me after years of being the most helpful and friendly member of the forum. As an instructor, I was always helping folks with their riding. These usual suspects twisted it around and saw it as abusing my admin status so I had enough one night and deleted 6 years worth of posts.

It is truly the most dysfunctional forum I have ever seen and Killclimbz is the biggest reason for it. He is unfit to be an admin and is beyond arrogant and egocentric. Notice also that for the most part their clique comprises mostly people from Colorado? I hate that state with a passion because most people from Colorado that I have met are self absorbed pricks who think the universe revolves around Colorado!

It is amazing to behold the way this little circle jerk twists reality like that lame ass Donutz has done.

Killclimbz is about the dumbest thing on the planet too. How is Blake 1979 being "homophobic" by actually celebrating and promoting his gayness?????? Dumb fuck doesn't even know what homophobia even is.

The things you see are real and the forum regulars have drank the kool aid. I fought it non stop and tried to ban BA who is a full blown psychopath, by the way. I've met the guy and rode part of the day with him. Got away from him ASAP as I saw the mental instability as did my friends riding with me that day.

As for Killclimbz, he's a 250 pound wannabe who loves to toot his own horn about being some back country god. He's a poser! He tours an abandoned ski are a quarter mile from the highway and walks his dog. Dude spends way more time on the Internet in about 10 forums than he does actually snowboarding. I wouldn't rely on him in the back country; he is too damn stupid!

This forum is turning to shit faster than I could have imagined when I nuked my account. Neversummer won't have a thing to do with it after the way I was treated."
I would like to point out the one logical post in this about the NSDT.

I would like to point out here that during the time this whole NS design team was going on, BA was in Denver for SIA and the NS design team went to shit well before BA got thrown into the mix, which only even happened in the first place because people were trying to blame him for ruining it while he was at SIA. What ruined the NS design team was poor planning and execution.
When this all went to shit I was in the middle of round 2 of a charity boxing match. Lets drop the emotion here and use some logic. If I am in the midst of taking a punch to the face how was I able to destroy it? Seems this is the one key element people forget.

For what it's worth I have every correspondence I shared with SW about this. I actually came back from SIA saw everyone shitting on him and sent him some messages of encouragement and told him to get the boots cause the shit was getting deep. Somehow in Scotts infinite wisdom he decided that a scapegoat was needed, I got thrown under the bus. End of story there, dude wanted to end that relationship that's his choice I'm a big boy and don't give a fuck. Little headache for me but nothing serious as the guys ulterior motives came into play.

Now here's a little history lesson on Scott (SW) for all the new comers. I and many others have seen multiple incarnations of him from snowboard.com snowboardaddicts.com here and a few other sites. The guy has always been a bit emotionally unstable and seems to have his highs and lows. He threatened to run me and my girlfriend over with his big rig, we lived in WA also at the time and were riding Hood a little bit. So that threat could very magically have happened, would it? I doubt it as he's a bit weak to go through with something like that.

While on various forums he would have melt downs like this if things didn't go his way, it wasn't conducive to his image, it caused butt-hurt. etc. etc.

In life there are two types of people. The look at me's and the look at you's. The look at me's need to be the center of attention and crave it. The Internet becomes that catalyst that gives them what they seek. Scott is very much a look at me person and he was utilizing the NSDT and being a Moderator here to get his emotional needs met.

While I can't necessarily prove it I do believe that he still lurks around here and goads people into doing his bidding or for whatever need he wants. That's fine like I mentioned before "ulterior motives". He's a 45 year old man with issues that seem to be more prevalent than the rest of our issues.

Snowboarding was something he latched on to as an outlet to gain attention via being an instructor, being a non certified guide on the Internet, moderator, ect. etc. I get it he needed to be part of a clique and this was it, but he also needed to be seen and heard. Fine I get that as well, but his 7 years of experience isn't what some of the people on here's 20 plus years is. That is seen by those of us in the know and not by the new riders/members.


So a moderator says nasty personal shit ( to me), nothing is deleted, the "record" still stands and somehow we should just move on?

I don't care really, but it is not just 2 members being abused by you guys, which actually made me care.
Just to help the cause can we please get an example of this "nasty personal shit"?

I guess that is the point. Nothing IS deleted or put back on track. Threads are derailed one way or another and it is mass chaos.

I guess that was my problem with SW too. He was such a good snowboarding spirit, no one really cared that his mod skills were like old school nukes. Now it has moved onto carpet bombing I guess.

I skateboarded today and saw some snow. I made a few different threads lately and know my place here.
It's the Internet things will change course, run their course, die a slow and painful death, or be abruptly killed. It's been that way since the 90's and forums/chats were popular. Just have to roll with the punches.
 
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