Snowjoe

It has the same effect though, because when you spin you need the edge set in the snow, if you ollie you lose the set edge and have to resistance to spin against. Yes you use your upper body but you need the resistance of the edge on snow to get enough power into the spin.

Snowolf

Hey Paolo, reading this made me think of something that was discussed in another thread. You had mentioned having trouble completeing a 3. I think your technique here may be part of the problem. Ypu are correct about the ollie giving you pop, but the board has more than one trick up it`s sleeve. Utilizing the camber, you can also get a lot of pop by using rebound by up unweighting your board at the moment of take off from the lip. Adding a quick edge change will further unload the board.

When doing a straight air, the ollie will pop you higher and that is why people do it. When doing a straight air, I decide whether or not to ollie upon how big and at what angle the ramp is. If it`s a small and low angle ramp, I will ollie to gain a little extra height to get more air time to clear the table. If the ramp is fairly high off the table and if it is steep, I generally won`t ollie as this gets me higher than I want to be and can cause me to get in the back seat and have to adjust while airbone, making for a "herky jerky" looking air.

Now when doing a spin, I never ollie. The reason I do not is because it well tend to make a spin corked out. I am certainly not good enough at freestyle to be corking anything so it ends up becoming a crash landing. Another thing is that when you Ollie for a spin, you transfer some of the energy for the spin, into the Ollie and it can slow you rotation down. As mentioned, using rebound is the ideal method to put a lot of power into your rotation. You watch riders who can easily throw 5`s 7`s and 9`s and they will use rebound. That is why they make a quick edge change just before they launch into the air. They make a gentle carve as they ride into the ramp, then just befor going of the lip, the relase that stored up energy in the board by making that quich edge change. It take some practice to get the timg down, but once you get it right, you will feel the power it adds to your spins.

Since we are`nt able to ride together, it is difficult to say for sure, but your technique of using the ollie to jump just might be why you are having some trouble getting your 3`s down. Think about it play around with popping off both feet (toes easiest and gets best pop) to do your 1`s and 3`s.

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shc89

Well the ollie technique for rotations is also used, and very much by pro's as from what I've found, but I might be harder than the both feet up way because of the cork. Still I'd say when you master doing rotations with ollie it will look and feel much better, because when you spring off that edge of the tail it give an extra 'bounce' and you'll probably go higher.

Snowjoe

Edit: Ahh screw it lol. Its so hard to explain on the internet.

Snowolf

That`s true it can be used, but if you closely watch the guys that are trying to get rotation more than height, they will use rebound. I think most people find that the timing of incorporating an ollie with a spin is more difficult(I know I do) to get just right. With paolo working on perfecting his 3`s I think it will be easier to work on rotation first then once that is dialed in, work on incoporating the ollie to get spin and more pop.

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shc89

Agreed. Last year I used learned the bs 180 without the pop, and this year I'll be incorporating it with ollie. As you said, timing will probably be a little problem. I also read that just before the jump, when doing backside 180, transfer your weight on to the toes, and spring off from your toes, not flat based. Might be good to try.

Snowolf

I do BS spins much easier than FS. mainly as a result of naturally closing my upper body is a BS spin whereas, I tend to open up too much going FS; a habit I am trying to break. Definitely, pop off your toes when going BS, it makes it much easier and I think it looks smoother too. A great way to practice doing this to get the feel, is jump something where you can kind of traverse the run a bit on your toe edge. If you are doing a 180, just remember to land so you are on your heel edge (if traversing).

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PaoloSmythe

all good stuff in here. i fess tho, not being freestyle orientated, i have never actually tried a 360. i defo have the 180s sussed tho; going both ways, grabbed and tweaked and when needed, with ollie pop.

for me the main obstacle to over come, was to get straight in my mind, all of the seperate elements of the jump; the speed and approach, the direction up the transition, the edge and pop and the application of adequate shoulder movement to acquire the perfect amount of rotation, the lifting of the knees to realise and tweak a grab.

for sure enuff speed negates the need to go for ollie pop, but there seems to be some confusion over the cause of 'corkedness';

from what i have read, the application of a carved turn (on the transition) to establish (too much) edge bite can cause invertion during the spin. over enthusiastic ollying will potentially cause a back flip no? as said tho, this is what has been read; i have only ever cared for 180s thus far, something that 'pros' don't necessarily consider to be a rotation at all, but a 'mid air turn'!

in any event, when someone quotes Walsh as saying 'take off from the toe edge of your rear foot', it is tuff to argue that you should be leaping from both feet at the same time.

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Snowolf

Which just goes to show that as you are fond of saying, snowboarding is all about self expression and there are many way to skin the ole feline when doing yer thang. One of the issues I have with AASI is the rigidity with which they want to regulate how snowboarding MUST be done (as in the "falling Leaf" issue that AASI now seems to hate)....if I wanted that kind of puckered environment I would be a skier....

Bottom line is there are a lot of techniques out there to use and what ever one works best for the rider should be used.

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Dcp584

I have that same problem. Plus breaking my arm trying frontside 3's has left me a little apprehensive about my front side spins. But I'm getting them worked out this year.