Snowolf

I hear where you are coming from Snowjoe and it is something that department heads talk about every now and then, but in practice, shadowing is something we really can`t control and I have never seen an instructor (ski or otherwise) make a fuss about it. Maybe it`s different where you alledgedly worked swmike, but our ski instructors work alongside us and departmental policies are uniform. Fortunately where I work, we are professional enough to have evolved past the ski/snowboard rivalry and many of our ski instructors are also snowboard instructors and vice versa, so we don`t see our ski instructors as being stupid; your comment on the other hand............

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swmike

Allegedly worked? AASI Member #197960. Your's?

No one called ski instructors stupid. Saying I did... well, is stupid. They can be a bit retentive at times though. A fact they readily admit! In fact, evolving past both into an environment where you can laugh together about it is something I hope you get to experience.

Wow... you guys have just taking off into space on this one. Shadowing - YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW TO SNOWBOARD!!! This was discussing SWITCH. So just for fun... on a run you stay WAY FAR AWAY from a class, but mimic their demos actions - JUST FOR A CHANGE. You don't participate in the class - you don't do the group-hug at the end... you simply stay in the shadows - maybe one run you follow one class down and the next you see what another class is doing and then try that as you go the rest of the way. On the slope we used - there could be 5 different group lessons making their way down all at once.

For a moderator - you need to lighten up and see a bigger picture. Moderators don't trash users who are sharing an opinion. Maybe on other sites - but let's try to evolve here.

Snowjoe

Ok I do see where you are coming from with that then, I got the impression you meant them being pretty close up and listening in with the rest of the guys, but I wouldn't have an issue if someone was doing it in the way you just suggested.

What annoys me is you throw in petty little insults into your arguments all the time, and make out you are the absolute authority on everything. You tell people to lighten up when your the one insulting people often (e.g. the guy who drives the BMW) and moaning about the smallest of moderators actions. Whether or not you mean it I don't know but thats how it comes across on here.

Alot of my buddies are skiiers anyway, and they are alot more easy going and chilled than alot of boarders I know.

swmike

Correct - I mean to do it. And if I quote you and then extrapolate out 3 more variations that you never said - I'd expect you to do the same.

Listen - if someone comes in here and asks a question or makes a comment, I'm respectful and certainly expect to see contrary views. But should you turn on me just doing the same... I will ensure my experience or research is accurate - then nuke away.

I don't even mind if someone disagrees with me on an approach - it's all subjective and that can be friendly debate. But to make it a moral issue or say I'm wrong... just have your facts handy.

Snowjoe

Hold on, I respectfully said that I didn't agree with the shadowing at first, and then as soon as I disagreed you began to bring out the petty insults the next reply! I never attacked you I said that I personally didn't like the idea, and you began to go off on one.

swmike

No, your first post was that it wasn't fair to paying customers. You thus made it a "morally wrong" proposal for me to be making to the lad that asked. And then of course you did escalate - but along with me doing the same.

Ah - see, it's that part where I read the attack... and you apparently didn't think you were escalating that far. I read one thing, but you wrote another. So it is indeed a lesson for me in reading better! And for us both that what we say in print will always be filtered by other's biases.

Thanks for hanging in! +1 Karma

Snowolf

#210793 exp 6/30/08

Indirectly, yeah, you did....
This obviously implies that ski instructors say stupid things since they are stupi....smart people don`t say stupid things ...

Again, you say a lot without directly saying it...why is it a us/they/them thing with you???? How about We.....in fact that anal retentive behaviour you ascribe to ski instructors sounds a lot like yourself.

Been there....read my entire post.....we all do get along and we raz each other all the time about being "damn skiers or you damn punks on snowboards" It`s your delivery that, as usual, sucks...

Being a mod has nothing to do with it; I would still have this opinion if I was not a mod. I have no issues with anybody else; it is you I dislike....intensely!

For months you have posted repeatedly your issue with mods, so it would`nt matter if I said the sun was hot; becuase there is a mod title you would have to find something to bitch about it.

No one trashed you, hypersensitive one...I love how you cry like a butt hurt little brat because "boo hoo...you got trashed for sharing an opinion".Well, no you did`nt, you got pissy with snowjoe for sharing his; yet you are the one who became condescending, insulting and rude to Snowjoe, who just offered an opinion you did`nt like...get a giant sized box of tissues and have yourself a good cry!

You treat everyone like shit and talk down to everybody and come across as a complete, self centered, egotistical, authoritative prick and if anybody disagrees with you it is you who gets insulting and rude, then you put on the little "who me" act like it`s everyone else that is picking on poor swmike. You could have said everything you did with regard to shadowing without throwing in the the insults....kind of like this:

Why did you feel the need to add that last line???/you shared your opinion and could have just left it at that...but no, you MUST throw in the prick factor to your posts knowing and hoping it would rub someone the wrong way...its what you do and why you are generally not liked anywhere you go. But, by all means....please continue...........

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PaoloSmythe

i think shadowing is simply dishonest.... it is effectively stealing;
like sneaking into the cinema or onto the bus via the exit doors.

it is freeloading off others who stump up the fee....

if i was instructing, i would get the class into a huddle so i could whisper the theory / talk thru....

aside from that... it is funny to me, that being called a 'skier' is perceived to be an insult (and rigtly so! )

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swmike

I said something indirectly? If anything my comments mean they hyper-focus on things too much. That isn't the same as stupid.

You really have no idea what my posts have been about or else your criticisms would be matured alot further than they are.

Admin - Could we have some civility to allow us to just post and not get personal? You know very well from our conversations in the past that I am all for having moderators... it's when they want to pour gas on members or limit non-personal conversations that I have issue. This is getting fairly personal.

swmike

Another vote for LIGHTEN UP! You'd think I called his mother some name when I mentioned skiers.

I do have a close friend that is a retired Special Ops guy that I got him a pt job as a ski instructor. He's back in Iraq as a civilian at the moment - but when he returns we'll ask him if he takes offense to my posts.