[john doe]

Originally Posted by rasmasyean

LOL yeah, I was like rewinding it and trying to figure that out too! I think the clearest one is in 01:32.

It’s kinda cazy. It looks like he does a 90 where he lifts up his tail and slams the heel edge on the snow. He doesn’t do a big windup…just his rear arm does a small “right hook”.
It appears that when the edge slams the snow, the speeding ground catches it and throws him into a fast corked rotation. It’s so fast that his body barely drops so the board rotates right back to the ground.

The one at 1:32 was basicly a misty flip. He jump facing downhill and landed backwards. I do them all the time on trampolines. You just throw your shoulder down and across while throwing your opposite ass cheek up and across. Then you just let you legs come over and complete the spin once your legs get paralle to the ground on the down swing.

[rasmasyean]

Do any of you do ground 540’s?

It seems a recurring thing you see is them doing some “flying punch” with their rear arm like seen in a couple of 540’s at 01:14.

It seems as they pop, the rear arm reaches up, it does some hooking as they spin, and then the downward punching motion as they land. Maybe this helps maintain air or something for a small amount of time to complete the rotation? Anyone know?

[BurtonX8]

Originally Posted by rasmasyean

Do any of you do ground 540’s?

It seems a recurring thing you see is them doing some “flying punch” with their rear arm like seen in a couple of 540’s at 01:14.

It seems as they pop, the rear arm reaches up, it does some hooking as they spin, and then the downward punching motion as they land. Maybe this helps maintain air or something for a small amount of time to complete the rotation? Anyone know?

Haven't done a full 540 off flat, but can do 450's. If I ride switch, butter on the tail till I'm facing downhill (90) and then pop it will come around. I tend to just throw my back arm....back. It really just comes down to getting the spin momentum going with the upper body first. Not so much winding up because I don't counter-rotate, but just moving my upper body in the direction of the spin until I get to the point where I cannot turn my upper torso anymore without my legs spinning, that's when I pop off the tail. Your legs just kinda catch up to your upper body. Remember too that you're already on the tail and have it loaded, so the snap coming off of it is easier.

Imagine a gummy bear with longer legs, if you turn his upper body and then lift it up the legs will whip around till they are inline with the upper body again. When I hit a kicker it's a completely different wind-up, but when buttering on the tail this is the easiest way for me. The last part of it is just keeping your legs up and waiting to come around. Obviously turning the head/shoulders is what will keep you spinning, but turning my upper body like that when pressing the tail really generates torque in the legs and a fast rotation once you pop off.

As far as that on-ground misty flip thing in the vid, no couldn't try it today, snow was too deep. Still want to try though. Had I tried today it would've been a cloud of pow and maybe an arm or leg sticking out, lol.

[phile00]

Originally Posted by JediMindGamez

I always wondered wut it'd look like if rodney mullen snowboarded....now I kinda have an idea.

I have always wondered the same thing! It's funny to check wikipedia and see all the tricks he invented. Pretty much most of the important ones.

Also I would love to learn how to butter better and get into these ground tricks.

[Fizzlicious]

IMO the cast from the master of ground vids, both 1 and 2, have some of the steeziest ground tricks that the Japanese riders throw down on YouTube.

[rasmasyean]

Originally Posted by BurtonX8

Haven't done a full 540 off flat, but can do 450's. If I ride switch, butter on the tail till I'm facing downhill (90) and then pop it will come around. I tend to just throw my back arm....back. It really just comes down to getting the spin momentum going with the upper body first. Not so much winding up because I don't counter-rotate, but just moving my upper body in the direction of the spin until I get to the point where I cannot turn my upper torso anymore without my legs spinning, that's when I pop off the tail. Your legs just kinda catch up to your upper body. Remember too that you're already on the tail and have it loaded, so the snap coming off of it is easier.

Imagine a gummy bear with longer legs, if you turn his upper body and then lift it up the legs will whip around till they are inline with the upper body again. When I hit a kicker it's a completely different wind-up, but when buttering on the tail this is the easiest way for me. The last part of it is just keeping your legs up and waiting to come around. Obviously turning the head/shoulders is what will keep you spinning, but turning my upper body like that when pressing the tail really generates torque in the legs and a fast rotation once you pop off.

As far as that on-ground misty flip thing in the vid, no couldn't try it today, snow was too deep. Still want to try though. Had I tried today it would've been a cloud of pow and maybe an arm or leg sticking out, lol.

One question though. When you land the spin, are you "not-twisted" and do you have enough time to spot your landing or at least look in a certain direct (forward probably) for a reasonable amount of time? Or do you just time it consistently enough to sort of not have to spot your landing.

I've found it hard to generate that kind of spin at a reasonable speed while maintaining air. I can try winding up like crazy and just send myself into some high "RPM" to make it arround, but then it's like way to fast to really know what degree I'm at. lol

[john doe]

Originally Posted by rasmasyean

I've found it hard to generate that kind of spin at a reasonable speed while maintaining air. I can try winding up like crazy and just send myself into some high "RPM" to make it arround, but then it's like way to fast to really know what degree I'm at. lol

Knowing how far you've turned is something you just have to learn. Keeping your head rotated as far as you can gives you little more warning for the landing but counting the rotation while in air just takes practice. Tramploine training helps alot with this.

Little story about counting spin. I was at a gymnastics center and was going to do a back flip to front flip on the tramp. I blinked mid air and mistook the wall as the trampoline surface causing me to stop my spin 90 degrees too soon and fall face first into the trampoline. As I was going towards the tramp I thought I was flying towards a wall.

[xelxguapo]

Originally Posted by Fizzlicious

IMO the cast from the master of ground vids, both 1 and 2, have some of the steeziest ground tricks that the Japanese riders throw down on YouTube.

[jegnorge]

Originally Posted by john doe

I was at a gymnastics center and was going to do a back flip to front flip

what the heck is a back flip to front flip? is it you do one back tuck, land, then do a front tuck? Or, a half twist back tuck so when u land you are facing the other way?

[SchultzLS2]

How the hell do you get enough balls to go hella fast, and shove your toe edge into the snow without the fear of a nasty scorpion. That takes some huge stones but looks ridiculously bad ass when pulled off.