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11-19-2008, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowolf
If I understand your description correctly, you are describing an aspect of Dynamic carving. In Dynamic Carving, one of the things the rider does to accelerate through the turn is to make the edge change prior to the fall line. In English, this simply means that you transition onto the "downhill" edge. This idea at first sounds like the recipe for the Emergency Room, but in reality it is a perfectly safe as long as your board is traveling in a straight line tip to tail and there is no amount of sideslip. If you think about it, your board does not care whether it is pointed down the hill or across the hill. It only cares about how it is moving across the snow.
So, if you are traversing across the hill, again carving on your heel edge, and want to initiate the toeside turn without delay and without bleeding off speed in a long skidded turn, you will use this technique. The mechanics of it are pretty straight forward actually. When you are ready to make an accelerated toeside turn, you will first ensure that your board is tracking true and not sideslipping down the hill. You will then, shift your weight from the heel edge with both feet simultaneously onto your toe edge. This will be spooky as hell the first time you try it, so pick gentle terrain and reasonably soft conditions to practice this. What will happen if you have done this correctly is you will go from heel to toe almost instantly and the board will go into a really fast, tight toeside turn through the fall line. You will really accelerate as the board turns through the fall line so be ready for it. Commitment is the key here since once you commit to that toe edge here, you can`t change your mind suddenly without risking a loss of control. The good news is the quicker you complete the turn, the quicker you will be in a toeside traverse and able to slow down.
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Hi snowolf, sorry to back up to a previous topic but am only just going through it now. I've got the 'tortional steering' your talking about first sorted, its kind of like a delayed reaction of the rear foot to what the front foot is doing.
But are you saying with dynamic carving you actually change from heel edge to front edge with both feet at EXACTLY the same time? If your not delaying your rear foot with respect to your front foot to cause you to pivot around the back - how does the board make the turn? I assumed you'd just carry on full speed in the same direction but very off balanced.
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11-20-2008, 05:20 AM
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Nope, this is a very hard thing to force yourself to do, but you do in fact switch with both feet almost at the exact same moment. What you have to realize is that what really efficiently turns your snowboard is the side cut. Pivoting around the rear foot, letting gravity pull the nose down the hill, then leaning into the turn is what we do to learn the basics. As you become a more advanced rider, you let the snowboard do the work for you. (Work smarter, not harder).
So, what happens here is you must ensure you are not slipping down the hill as your traversing across, say on your heel edge. When you want to make that high speed turn, you will simply shift your hips down the hill a little to release the heel edge from the snow and then engage that downhill toe edge. This is where it take a little trust and commitment, because if you delay, the board will begin slipping down the hill and then you will catch that edge and slam. You have to be quick about it and just do it.
The downhill edge will engage the snow and now the board will be tilted downhill with the side cut fully engaged. This is a very quick accelerated turn because now you also have gravity pulling you into the turn along with the side cut. The first couple of time this will spook you, just go with and if you fall, get up a try again, it is part of learning.
Once you are that downhill edge, just hold it in and get the turn over with so you can get back to an attitude that feels much more natural and comfortable. After you successfully accomplish a couple of these high speed turns where you actually exit the turn faster than you entered it, you will will get stokes on them and like doing them.
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11-20-2008, 05:25 AM
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Ah and there i was thinking i'd almost mastered turning. Thanks for that, that explanation helps alot. So once you've got that you can go straight back to heel edge (exact same way) for an accelerated turn the other way - and you keep going to pick up more speed.
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11-20-2008, 05:32 AM
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You got the idea! What I recommend for people who are trying dynamic carved turns for the first time is to pick gentler terrain than they normally ride that is smooth and decently groomed and wide. Make nice, large radius turns where you do not pick up a lot of speed quickly and the terrain is not steep enough to freak you out when transitioning onto the downhill edge. As you get comfortable with it, go to medium radius turns, then finally short radius turns and your gaol is to try to make your turns symmetrical and make your edge changes at about the same spot each time. These are really fun to do.
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11-20-2008, 05:34 AM
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Great i'm heading out to tignes tonight so will give it a go. Thanks for that and saw your youtube vids a while back. Helped alot!
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11-20-2008, 09:42 AM
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YouTube - Dynamic Turns
one last question snowolf, in your vid your controlling your edge by using the hump and dump - but are you also using tortional flex to turn it aswell or is the edge change just coming from the change in your stance?
I'm not using much hump and dump in my turns and gonna try this out but is it also worth using tortional flex of the board too?
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11-21-2008, 07:22 AM
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In this video, it was simply a weight shift forward and rearward to pressure the edge. For the most part, I flexed and extended my ankles as dictated by the shift in my hips to allow the board to tilt as needed. Now, I was ready to apply and make any small corrections needed by torsionally steering and as a rider, you should always be prepared to deal with the unexpected by employing several methods.
To really get a feel for this, pick a run that you are more than comfortable straightlining down without turning. Point the board and keep the nose pointed straight down the hill. Now, just very gently, rock back and forth, shifting the hips forward, then rearward. Try to keep your upper body stationary over the top of your board. Be like a playing card that bows in the middle. The top and bottom stay in place, but the middle moves in and out.
This will shift weight onto your edges back and forth. What will happen, is you will start to make shallow turns back and forth while the board stays pointed down the hill. When you learn to do this well, you will be able to add a skid at the apex of these turns, by kicking the tail out briefly, then bringing it back. In this way you can really control speed in a very narrow corridor. Learning this technique will make narrow cat tracks a breeze to ride!.
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