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Old 09-16-2008, 10:01 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Yes, using "torsional steering" is the correct and most efficient method to steer your board. Most self taught people do get in the habit of pushing the rear of the board around with the back foot. It is a common thing and it kinda sorta gets the job done, just rather inefficiently and a bit clumsily.

The idea here is like this, Say for example you are going down a run, making linked S turns. You are just coming out of a heel side turn and are about ready to go back to toe side. As you are making your traverse, you will be riding on the heel edge of the board. To begin the turn, you will first, relax the heel pressure on the front foot basically allowing the nose of the board to go flat and disengage that uphill heel edge. What will happen is the nose of the board will begin to slide down the hill. It is like when you are side slipping; if you flatten the board out, it slides down the hill. The difference here is your rear foot is keeping the tail end of the board "locked in" to the hill with the heel edge. So, the nose slips down the hill while the tail stays right where it is. As the board enters the fall line and is almost pointing straight down the hill, you will then start pressing down on the toe edge of the board with the front foot as you now let the rear foot go totally flat. This begins to engage the toe edge of the board beginning at the nose and working down the length of the side cut. As the board leaves the fall line and is climbing back up the hill, you will start pressuring the toe edge with the back foot so that as you complete the turn and traverse across the hill, you will solidly be on the toe edge with both feet.

Once you get proficient with this technique, you will find it is almost effortless and takes almost zero work to go down the runs making lots of short and medium radius turns to maintain a constant speed.
you don't need to do this for decks with BTX do you?
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:39 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Actually, I ride a rockered board the same exact way. I will initiate my turns with the front foot just as I do on a regular cambered board. The Reverse camber makes these things less catchy, but you sill have to get the side cut to engage to carve a proper turn. Even on a rocker, using upper body to pivot the board is not technically correct riding. Since this a an old technology reborn and now taking the industry by storm, it is certainly possible that the industry and AASI might adapt their protocols to suggest some changes based on the equipment. For now though, we still stress the torsional steering and it works very well with a rocker.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:22 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Great thread.

I didn't know using the back foot as a rudder was bad form. Like others here, nobody taught me. It was pretty much "find your own way down the hill." So when I started doing toeside, I'd swing my back foot out to turn.

I'm gonna have to work on that next time I go, but winter is so far away.
We intstructors refer to that as a windshield wiper turn. bad form indeed. Proper technique starts with the feet ankles knees and hip...bottom up not top down..

windshield wiper turns usually have an accompanying upper body jerking movement/counter rotation to get the tail of the board moving. This is seen especially in new riders who chose to teach themselves or learn from friends... take a lesson ya'll cuz the longer you ride that way the harder it will be to break the habit..
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Old 09-18-2008, 01:08 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Hi Snowolf,

I squeeze my knees together to flex the board. For example, after I initiate my turn, if I want to reduce my turning radius I squeeze my knee to flex the board more.

BTW, my angles are 12/3 but some friends do this riding duck.

If this is a bad technique, please let us know.

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Squeezing your knees together actually decambers a board and makes turn initiation quicker. Try using your feet and flexion of your ankles/knees and keep your upper body centered over the board. Good form turning involves using flexion/extension movements of the feet ankles and knees..keep upper body rotary movements to a minimun.. remember, good turning starts with the feet on up not the shoulders on down!!

The upper bodies job is to keep your center of mass over the board.. play with pressuring the inside of each of your bindings and see what happens to the board, last year I was involved teaching a clinic doing this and we proceeded to blow some minds... THIS IS NOT BAD TECHNIQUE, just another example of how pressure distributiion effects board performance..

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Old 10-05-2008, 10:53 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I do a bit of the "rudder" thing, but its more to control speed when I'm going a bit faster than I feel comfortable.

Also, I'm having some trouble with the shoulders suggestion. should they be parallel (assuming a line going through both went on to infinity) with the board?

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Old 10-06-2008, 11:00 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Most of the time yes. There are a few situations where you will deliberately ride counter rotated though. In general riding, try to keep the entire upper body stacked over your board and in line with it. As long as it is not overdone, you can use a bit of shoulder rotation to assist you with turn initiation. When doing this, your shoulders should not rotate past the edge of your board, so this is a subtle movement. Remember, you control the board from the waist down.

In Freestyle, there are times whn a lot of counter rotation is used to spin or manipulate the board. In the half pipe is a n example of this as the rider is preparing to leave the wall, spin and drop back in. Riding the bumps is another area where counter rotating helps the rider out.
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Old 10-07-2008, 01:32 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Joined because of this thread. great info. Cant wait to get out and start breaking some bad habits.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:52 PM   #88 (permalink)
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This thread made me realize how much I suck! I've been riding for about three years and still can't carve consistently. My mechanics are a little off what is considered the conventional way posted here. I am the loser who does a 50-50 on a box that you don't need to ollie to get on. Speaking of ollien, I can't do that either. Hopefully this year will be the break out year for me, but it probably won't be.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:49 AM   #89 (permalink)
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how much are we talking turning the chest down the hill ?
a full 90 is bad what about 45 or less ?
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Old 10-08-2008, 04:33 AM   #90 (permalink)
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i noticed that when i'm on the flats (or on not very steep straightaways), i tend to face my body forward more instead of to the side like when carving, as you can see in my avatar..... :/
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