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Old 04-15-2008, 09:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I just read a previous post about carving got me thinking what do you consider proper carving? What about improper carving? If you can carve, then aren't you doing it correctly?
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i personally think people shouldn't carve their initials into trees, i would say that is not proper
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pencil line vs. magic marker? I choose the pencil-line.

A guy carved over a bunny rabbit this year and killed it! It ran out and rolled the dude onto his shoulder - dislocating it. Blood everywhere...
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Blood everywhere...
from the rabbit or the dude?
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He just about cut the rabbit in half!
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ehhe you guys are funny...
but seriously..is there a right and wrong way on carving (in the context of snowboarding)? if there is what's makes it right or wrong?
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Here is a good corny example:


Not thin pencil line carves but these turns have good hand dragging action. I judge a good carve by it's turn shape. Notice that these are all edge lock with no skidding in between.

This is a complete c-shaped turn going across the fall-line

This is a little extreme and a bit dangerous. You better know that nobody is behind you if you're gonna take up the whole run.
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I just read a previous post about carving got me thinking what do you consider proper carving? What about improper carving? If you can carve, then aren't you doing it correctly?
Proper carving is when you use the board`s sidecut to initiate, maintain and complete each turn using lower body movements to achieve it. The perfect carve has no ellement of skid or sideslip throughout the turn and edge changes occurr prior to the fall line. In otherwords, the ride switches to the downhill edge at the completion of each turn so turn shape, radius and size are symetrical.

Within carving, there will be body movements that are broken down and evaluated as being either correct or incorrect. An incorrect body movement may not adversely affect the rider`s ability to make a clean carved turn, but what AASI examiners would look at is efficiency. The ideal is to make efficient body movements in order to achieve desired results.

In the real world, this hardly is an issue. Athletic prowess can compensate for incredibly bad form and the average rider only cares about outcome and not neccessarily perfect form. In the world of instructing it becomes important so that all instructors are "on the same page" as to technique and teaching methods.

Many people mistakenly call all turning "carving" as you know this is false. What happens 90% of the time is we as riders "Scarve" in other words, we get really close to the perfect carve, but because of technique and snow conditions, we still never completely eliminate all of the skid from out turns. Not only does the rider have to be very experienced at carving to maintain a perfect carve, but some snow conditions do make true carving impossible.

What is more important that whether a rider carves or skids, is if that rider rides Dynamically. The lower body should be traveling independently from the upper body. To perform Dynamic Skidded Turns or Dynamic Carved Turns, the rider maintains a very quiet upper body with the lower body constantly in motion. Fluid flexion and extension cycles should be going on at every phase of riding for good dynamic riding. Don`t ever feel bad about skidding turns, they are quite proper in many riding situations and often are more proper in a given situation or terrain.
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Proper carving is when you use the board`s sidecut to initiate, maintain and complete each turn using lower body movements to achieve it. The perfect carve has no ellement of skid or sideslip throughout the turn and edge changes occurr prior to the fall line. In otherwords, the ride switches to the downhill edge at the completion of each turn so turn shape, radius and size are symetrical.

Within carving, there will be body movements that are broken down and evaluated as being either correct or incorrect. An incorrect body movement may not adversely affect the rider`s ability to make a clean carved turn, but what AASI examiners would look at is efficiency. The ideal is to make efficient body movements in order to achieve desired results.

In the real world, this hardly is an issue. Athletic prowess can compensate for incredibly bad form and the average rider only cares about outcome and not neccessarily perfect form. In the world of instructing it becomes important so that all instructors are "on the same page" as to technique and teaching methods.

Many people mistakenly call all turning "carving" as you know this is false. What happens 90% of the time is we as riders "Scarve" in other words, we get really close to the perfect carve, but because of technique and snow conditions, we still never completely eliminate all of the skid from out turns. Not only does the rider have to be very experienced at carving to maintain a perfect carve, but some snow conditions do make true carving impossible.

What is more important that whether a rider carves or skids, is if that rider rides Dynamically. The lower body should be traveling independently from the upper body. To perform Dynamic Skidded Turns or Dynamic Carved Turns, the rider maintains a very quiet upper body with the lower body constantly in motion. Fluid flexion and extension cycles should be going on at every phase of riding for good dynamic riding. Don`t ever feel bad about skidding turns, they are quite proper in many riding situations and often are more proper in a given situation or terrain.

Thanks SnoWolf for the info...very techincal ..It helps alot.
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