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Old 12-03-2013, 10:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So Sunday was the first day of the season for me this year, and I was less than impressed with myself. Yes I'll admit I approached the hill thinking with a sense that I had become a snowboarding badass simply by sitting around reading about riding all summer/watching YouTube videos; needless to say I was quickly reminded of where I stand technique wise.

So here's what has changed in my setup and approach since last season. I come from a skateboarding background and would say i'm naturally drawn to learning tricks. While at the same time I like to ride everywhere on the mountain as none of my friends are into park riding. My natural move was hey i'll trade out this stiff, to me, Burton Custom and get a Burton Process. I stuck with camber as its my preferred profile and seemed like the board would be a good match for what I needed.

[Jump here if you don't want a meaningless back story]

Here's where we get to the Help me I still suck.

I'm riding a 157 process and weigh around 183 lbs. So far i'm able to ride just as fast and comfortable as I was on my 158 custom. Boxes and rails felt the same (mind you first day gritters only allowed me to do small ride on 50-50's). My problem lay in the butters, which happened to be the sole reason for going softer in the first place. When i now try to pop on to my tail (with a small nollie or lean back) and gently lift the nose the board tends to slip out on me. It's like I've loaded the tail for an ollie some how and it just pops right out from under me . Side note I wish I was able to actually load the tail this much on purpose. On the custom I was able to use all of my weight focused just beyond the outside of the binding and hold this just fine, but on this thing no deal?

Is there a different approach for butters on softer boards, was I just over thinking my first day, or was this post useless in providing the information needed to help me.

in any case if someone has butter tips throw them my way, or just share a first day back on the mountain story (good or bad) to make me feel better.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think if you tried learning the board's balance characteristics for as long as it took you to write that post, you'd be buttering like fabio right now
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah sounds like you just need to get used to the new flex pattern and different stiffness of the board. If you put all your weight on the tail its not going to behave the same as your custom x.
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I think if you tried learning the board's balance characteristics for as long as it took you to write that post, you'd be buttering like fabio right now
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Yeah sounds like you just need to get used to the new flex pattern and different stiffness of the board. If you put all your weight on the tail its not going to behave the same as your custom x.
Yeah I figured, I'll just have to wait until the weekend to give it another shot.
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I think it's one part getting used to balance/weight shifting and one part your technique.

You said "gently lift the nose of my board" which is where you may be going wrong with your technique.

Basically butters are all about shifting your weight, not trying to lift your nose up. If you shift your weight towards your tail and center it backwards, your nose will naturally lift up without you doing anything.

Don't try to lift your nose or tail, rather aim to shift your entire bodyweight backwards/forwards instead of trying to explode onto your nose/tail.

(sidenote since it's relevent - I do have an entire video series on butters if you click 3 free lessons link in my signature. It goes over what I'm talking about in this post in video format. Full disclosure though, after the 3 free lessons you get asked whether you want to sign up for my paid tutorials, but that's optional and you can just ignore it and enjoy the free lessons.

Still working on the snowboard forum version of those videos where you won't have to give me an email, but haven't had the time to do them yet, so for now you'll have to make do with the lessons by email format.)
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I think it's one part getting used to balance/weight shifting and one part your technique.

You said "gently lift the nose of my board" which is where you may be going wrong with your technique.

Basically butters are all about shifting your weight, not trying to lift your nose up. If you shift your weight towards your tail and center it backwards, your nose will naturally lift up without you doing anything.

Don't try to lift your nose or tail, rather aim to shift your entire bodyweight backwards/forwards instead of trying to explode onto your nose/tail.

(sidenote since it's relevent - I do have an entire video series on butters if you click 3 free lessons link in my signature. It goes over what I'm talking about in this post in video format. Full disclosure though, after the 3 free lessons you get asked whether you want to sign up for my paid tutorials, but that's optional and you can just ignore it and enjoy the free lessons.

Still working on the snowboard forum version of those videos where you won't have to give me an email, but haven't had the time to do them yet, so for now you'll have to make do with the lessons by email format.)
What he said. And to add: You do not want to "lean back" (as you wrote), but instead shift your entire body back. Try to stay 'stacked' from the waist up.
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:53 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I think it's one part getting used to balance/weight shifting and one part your technique.

You said "gently lift the nose of my board" which is where you may be going wrong with your technique.

Basically butters are all about shifting your weight, not trying to lift your nose up. If you shift your weight towards your tail and center it backwards, your nose will naturally lift up without you doing anything.

Don't try to lift your nose or tail, rather aim to shift your entire bodyweight backwards/forwards instead of trying to explode onto your nose/tail.

(sidenote since it's relevent - I do have an entire video series on butters if you click 3 free lessons link in my signature. It goes over what I'm talking about in this post in video format. Full disclosure though, after the 3 free lessons you get asked whether you want to sign up for my paid tutorials, but that's optional and you can just ignore it and enjoy the free lessons.

Still working on the snowboard forum version of those videos where you won't have to give me an email, but haven't had the time to do them yet, so for now you'll have to make do with the lessons by email format.)
short version: its called a press, not a nose lift, thats what cougars get.

edit: shakes fist at hktrdrmotherfucker
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