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jdang307 12-08-2013 12:50 PM

Long drawn out carves
 
Any tips on learning wide carves? I've got short radius turns down, my carving isn't perfect yet but passable (still working on smooth transitions). But for the life of me I cannot control the board to do long drawn out carves. As soon as I go on edge the board just wants to turn and I end up turning hard.

Just looking for tips, things to practice. Stance is 15/15 ducked. If I try to draw the turn out I end up slip sliding.

jml22 12-08-2013 12:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n_cwQLpo_c

wrathfuldeity 12-08-2013 01:33 PM

What's the radius cut of your board? An 8 m is going to want to make a more sharp turn than a 12 or 14 m sidecut.

Jed 12-08-2013 01:41 PM

It sounds like you're trying to apply the same technique from short radius carves to your long, wide carves, which is messing up your longer carves.

The trick with doing those long wide carves is it's about applying very gradual slight pressure. If you push hard on your edge, you're going to turn sharply, since carving is riding your edge and your edges always wants to turn when pressured.

More pressure = sharper carve, less pressure = mellow carve

Pretend that your feet are gas pedals in a car and you want to very gradually step down on that gas pedal for toeside carves and very gradually lift off the gas pedal for heelside carves.

Just like you don't try to stomp the foot down on the gas pedal to accelerate at a traffic light, you want to think the same way with long, drawn out carving and just gradually apply a tiny bit of pressure to your edge.

jlm1976 12-09-2013 10:49 AM

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More pressure = sharper carve, less pressure = mellow carve


What about edge angle? Doesn't that factor into a carved turn?

poutanen 12-09-2013 10:53 AM

How bent are your knees? Basically bend your knees, set the board on edge and ride it through. As previously mentioned, a short radius board isn't going to rail long radius carves. If you get a short radius (i.e. 8m or less or so) board on a 45 deg angle to the snow, it's going to really want to turn...

Jed 12-09-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jlm1976 (Post 1322089)
What about edge angle? Doesn't that factor into a carved turn?

Yep it does. Typically more/less edge angle goes hand in hand with putting more/less pressure on that edge when learning carves, so the typical rider will naturally add more edge angle as they lean more on their edge and naturally put less edge angle as they release pressure.

As riders get more advanced they start being able to play around more with small edge angle adjustments while keeping the same pressure, but that's a little more advanced as far as riding mechanics go.

KIRKRIDER 12-09-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jdang307 (Post 1318801)
Any tips on learning wide carves? I've got short radius turns down, my carving isn't perfect yet but passable (still working on smooth transitions). But for the life of me I cannot control the board to do long drawn out carves. As soon as I go on edge the board just wants to turn and I end up turning hard.

Just looking for tips, things to practice. Stance is 15/15 ducked. If I try to draw the turn out I end up slip sliding.

You might want to try both positive angles, say +21, +18 a position that will allow you to bend those knees better and more in line with the board, ( as in the picture) and extend your turns.

http://www.cimaschool.com/cima/wp-co.../Anderson2.jpg

anvilstrkr 12-09-2013 07:14 PM

Something to keep in mind besides edge angle is how your body joints are rotating in our stance. Your hips want to stay aligned to the edge of the board to reduce rotation. This will make for a longer traverse across the fall line of the slope.

MGD81 12-09-2013 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by anvilstrkr (Post 1324201)
Something to keep in mind besides edge angle is how your body joints are rotating in our stance. Your hips want to stay aligned to the edge of the board to reduce rotation. This will make for a longer traverse across the fall line of the slope.

Bullshit.

This totally depends on the pitch of terrain you are carving on.

Anything steeper than a low blue and your heel-side carves will be way bigger than toe-side, and you will have a really hard time managing speed.


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