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Old 12-11-2013, 05:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Today was my second day up this season, first was yesterday. Riding deep pow all day (woo Montana!) is definitely a lot of work on the legs, and this morning I was really feeling the pain after just 2 runs.

Now I'll acknowledge it may take a few days to rework those muscles after the season off, but I keep in shape offseason and the discomfort feels like it may be improper stance.

After the first day, I felt I had my stance too far duck...it was front at 21 back at 18, for day 2 set it to 21 9, and think my front is still too far, maybe 18 9 next time. My feet naturally stick out at awkwardly high angles, but maybe not that much.

The excess soreness might be due leaning hard on my back leg to help pull the nose out of sinking into powder. (really, not trying to rub in how much powder we actually have, but we do)

First question: Would shifting my bindings back, so my center of mass is shifted back, help relieve the leg work required to pull the nose up? Would that make carving difficult?

After those first 2 runs this morning, I decided to give my legs a rest by spending the rest of the day practicing switch. I ride regular but like the high angled duck so I can do switch more easily.

It took me a few runs to warm up and remember how to ride goofy since last season. Then it quickly felt quiet nice. I can't carve as tight with goofy stance as regular, but my stance actually felt more natural. The wide carves I was able to take felt really balanced and in control.

My carves on regular are controlled, but feel like I can't respond as quickly and my balance isn't as finely tuned as riding goofy, even though I've only done it on occasion. I had never noticed this before until today, maybe I'm finally getting good enough at goofy to recognize it.

I may make a permanent switch to goofy and see if I can get my carving up to or surpassing my ability riding regular. We'll see how this goes.

Second question: Anyone ever realize you've been riding the wrong way after 12 years (for me)?

edit: fuck i really rambled. im high

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Old 12-11-2013, 05:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you've been riding for 12 years and you don't know if setting your stance back helps in pow??




yes. it helps a fuckton.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Lol I never got to go very often. On and off seasons as a kid when my family moved around, and never a lesson. Last year was the first time I went >10 times, and really just began focusing on improving my form
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First question: Would shifting my bindings back, so my center of mass is shifted back, help relieve the leg work required to pull the nose up? Would that make carving difficult?
Yeah, shifting bindings backwards helps you keep your nose up when riding powder.

Can't comment much on the going from regular to goofy though, that's a first. I've seen many people swap within their first week riding, but never after years of riding.
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Old 12-12-2013, 03:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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What I guess is. You were leaning back too much in regular stance without years of consistent riding. You switch to goofy and your body posture felt normal with your rear foot as the lead foot. When you ride normal runs leaning down slope gives you better carve feel. Try riding normal without leaning back or with a set back stance. (Unless it's only deep pow). If it's only deep pow and no groomed runs. Set it back but stop leaning back so hard.
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Old 12-12-2013, 04:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The excess soreness might be due leaning hard on my back leg to help pull the nose out of sinking into powder. (really, not trying to rub in how much powder we actually have, but we do)
Try pushing the board forward as opposed to leaning back. I know it sounds like the same thing but pushing the board forward will keep your body stacked over the board. This will provide a a stronger stance while still being able to pressure that back foot. Feel for a slight strain in your obliques as the board goes forward with the shoulders and the hip stays in the same place. In all likeliness it will ware that back leg out less too.


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I may make a permanent switch to goofy and see if I can get my carving up to or surpassing my ability riding regular. We'll see how this goes.
Yea for sure man, spend a good amount of time riding goofy. It'll make you a more all rounded rider and chances are it'll enlighten you to any habits you may not be aware of in your natural stance.


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Second question: Anyone ever realize you've been riding the wrong way after 12 years (for me)?
Even the top pros still are still correcting their technique. Everyone has areas they can improve on so I wouldn't get too caught up with any flaws you've just discovered. Good riders will always realize this and seek to work on them.
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Old 12-12-2013, 04:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Get a lesson. If you're self taught then I can bet you have some bad habits that could be holding you back. Or just post a video of you riding here. There are plenty of knowledgeable people here willing to help.

Yes a set-back on your bindings will help with back leg burn in when riding pow.
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Setback is good (so is having a board designed and sized right for the deep stuff!), but the binding angles still seem quite high.

Seems like in the symetrical duck crowd -12 +12 is about the standard (i.e. 24 deg difference). I ride with -9 +9...
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Ahhhh you were exactly right. I read these replies before heading up for just a couple hrs before close today and got a few runs in really focusing on leaning forward onto the nose. Was a tad awkward at first but I'm adjusting really quickly, my stance feels way better, pressure is off my knees and my carves are far more controlled.
I can't believe how long I've had that fundamental wrong, maybe I should invest in that lesson now....I always just assumed snowboarding was supposed to hurt

I need to tweak the bindings a bit more but I'm getting it dialed in.
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