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Ruddering. A time and place?

There have been a number of comments in threads of late about "seeing ppl ruddering their boards around." Pointing out that this method of steering is improper form and board control.

I was wondering where and under what circumstances would ruddering the board like this be considered,... appropriate? Acceptable?

While I can certainly get my board up on an edge to turn it. Whether I'm "carving" proper or initiating more of a skidded, "scarved" sort of turn is dependent on a number of variables, (....generally skill related. ) but I have noticed that in some instances I find myself doing more ruddering. Usually it is when I'm trying to maneuver in a more confined area/corridor on a given run, or maybe to bleed off some speed while still moving and following a particular line of travel.

I know there's no "Set" way to ride and ea. rider will find the style and methods that best suit them, but I was curious since it seems to be accepted that ruddering is generally considered bad form. When is it accepted as an appropriate method of maneuvering? Moguls? Steeps? Tight narrow cat tracks such as I tend to employ it? What?

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Ruddering is one method of turning, it is not the most ideal and has drawbacks on the amount of control you have etc. However there are times and places for all types of turns. When all people can do is rudder that is when it an issue because it will cause them to be unable to advance.

It is no different then skiers using the little hop turn thinger before they learn how to really carve. It lets you get away with bad technique but will bit you when you get to more challenging terrain.

Anyway everything I just typed is conjecture because I don't have any certifications etc. It is just how I view things.

Also I think most people rudder when they are not confident in their abilities on a run because it is how many people first learn to link turns. (reverting back to basics)
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Pivot turns on steep carved out crap isn't so bad
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Use of ruddering in attacking moguls, steeps any terrain. Is just another tool.
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Improper use is just the opposite, its like what the hell did I get myself into.
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What's in a name? Snowolf didn't like ruddering, but he admitted there's a place for slash braking. In the broad strokes, they work like this:

Ruddering: Put your weight forward on your board, and swing the back out.
Slash braking: Put your weight forward on your board, and swing the back out.

I expect to get some flack for that, but the point is that the differences are subtle, and have more to do with your upper body than your lower body.

I use what snowolf called slash braking and what I called 'windshield wiping" when going down a narrow trail and I need to keep the speed down. Essentially the front of the board stays more or les in the center of the trail and the tail is swinging back and forth from side to side. The difference between this and what I used to do when I was a beginner (ruddering) is that I can slash/wipe/whatever without having to swing my arms in the other direction. So I think that whether or not you're using good technique is based on whether you're doing the twist or just shifting your weight.


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Problem is if ruddering is your only tool in the box


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Problem is if ruddering is your only tool in the box
Right! I get that. What I'm a little unclear about is when is it an appropriate tool to use? Does it have a proper time and place where it is most effectively employed, or is it more of a "multi tool, fly by the seat of your pants" kind of maneuver.

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i only really "rudder" when narrow groomers are crowded and i want to take up minimal space on the trail and keep out of peoples way, otherwise i would be doing quick turns the full length of the narrow trail to control my speed.

i blame the crowds for my bad habits!
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It's actually more a term for explaining to a newbie that they're "ruddering" not actually carving.
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not carving by any means
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I prefer carving but some times people just sit there or some one is riding next to me I rudder a little to bleed the speed off.
its perfectly okay cuz clearly you are not travis rice who can just have a whole mountain to ride.

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