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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-06-2014, 02:43 PM Thread Starter
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Need help with transition and linking turns

Ok guys I'm a beginner at best. Live in Alabama so that's one strike against me. I usually go on a week long trip every year. I've been a handful of times and have become much better. I can ride down the mountain all day, just not like I want to. Also never had a lesson, which I probably should this year. Here's my deal:

I can ride toe side all day, I can ride heel side all day, I can start and stop either way - no problem. I can link turns but its not always good.

The problem is worse when I transition from toe back to heel. It's not everytime, but it's almost like my board will "catch" on the front lip and throw me into the snow head first. Like I said, this may only happen once a day, but it's quite uncomfortable when it does.

My suspicion number one is am I putting too much weight on my back foot?

Secondly, I have heard every technique in the world for turning. Some say use the back foot as a rudder, some say weight on the front foot and steer. Some say to lean, look the way you wanna go, etc. All I know is I dont believe I'm doing it right. So any tips would be much appreciated before I head out this year.

I board and am normal footed if that matters.
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I would suspect its a timing issue...do you count through your turns? And an issue of getting in the back seat too soon because you are afraid of going too fast...which actually makes the problem worse. But take some lessons right away...so you can enjoy the rest of the week.

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are your knees bent, are you shifting weight before you change and edge? you cant change to toe edge when the weight of your body is still on your heel edge. same goes when you switching to heel edge, you need to wait till your weight is centered to switch to heel side.

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If you are new, the problem is probably caused by what you suspect. Be courageous, weight on your front foot(dont be afraid to exaggerate). In my oppinion the best practice is forcing a turn every second, getting into a good rythm, even though it is tough work. When you get to the bottom, all your fears have gone, your legs hurt good and you're ready for a beer if not a second run followed by two beers.
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As mentioned by others, being in the back seat is a very common problem that will cause sluggish turn initiation, or even a complete inability to turn. It tends to go hand-in-hand with relying on counter-rotational movements from the upper body to force turns. Do you swing your arms every time you turn? Turns happen too slowly, so counter is introduced to speed them up. The result is a flailing, unstable posture with imprecise edge control that can result in a slam. If this sounds like you, focus on keeping your arms relaxed and close to the body and utilizing torsional flex to initiate turns.

If that isn't the problem, one other common source of edge catches at this level is simply trying to change edges too soon/quickly. If you try to change edges while you have any component of sideslip, you will catch your edge every time. Try to release the old edge smoothly and try to get the board flat before smoothly engaging the new edge.

As a beginner, the safest time to change edges is parallel to the fall line. You will gain speed while doing this so make sure you're comfortable enough with that to stay out of the back seat. From the old edge, steer the lead foot down the hill by allowing the downhill edge to drop closer to the snow. The board will twist slightly (known as torsional flex), and the difference in edge pressure will cause the nose to drop downhill. As you approach the fall line, release the edge pressure from the back foot as well. You should now be pointed straight down the hill with the board flat. Before gaining too much speed, gently apply pressure to the new edge, front foot first (more torsional flex), then adding the back foot after the new turn is established.

As you become more proficient, you will be able to safely change edges earlier in the turn. This is nice because it gives you speed control earlier. Listen for the board to get quiet. If you can hear skidding, don't change edges. Again, your board must be travelling tip to tail, or tail to tip (no skidding), to safely change edges.

Good luck, I hope you find this helpful!
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are your knees bent, are you shifting weight before you change and edge? you cant change to toe edge when the weight of your body is still on your heel edge. same goes when you switching to heel edge, you need to wait till your weight is switched to heel side.
WHAT.... THE.... ACTUAL.... FUCK??? Stop giving advice to people, please, you have no idea what you're on about.

You do not initiate a turn by shifting your weight from edge to edge. That's how people with shit technique turn and it's horribly inefficient. It's also a great way to breed bad habits.

To the OP, Stillz explained it quite well - to back him up for your toe side to heel side transition issue: you need to use the board to initiate your turn. So if you're 90 deg to the fall line (i.e. heading across the slope) on your heel edge start by looking over your shoulder to where you want to end up. Lift your front toe and push down on your heel by flexing your ankle to apply torsion to the board.

Your board will begin to turn down the fall line, let it. Keep both knees nice and bent with your back straight. Keep your knee, hip and shoulder in the same plane and your weight centred on your board. Your belly button should be in the centre of your stance while the knee bend and straight back help to put weight over the heel edge to prevent it skidding out.

Hope this helps. Listen to Stillz.

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You do have to shift your weight to turn, actually. Fore-aft shifting is necessary for proper turn technique. Need weight on front foot in order to engage the edge. And to really take advantage of the sidecut for turns you do have to stack weight over the toe or heel side edge.

That guys comment isn't wrong, its just poorly articulated.
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For fuck's sake he was telling him to shift his weight between heel and toe to initiate a turn (that's not fore-aft). It was wrong and it still is. People need to stop giving poor advice here.

I agree with you that you need to have some weight on the front foot to INITIATE the turn. Once you're into the turn though your weight needs to be centred fore-aft and stacked over the edge your turning on, as I said.

I need a beer, you fuckers are wearing me thin tonight.
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probably the worst way to explain anything, especially something simple like turning, is with a shitload of words on the internet.
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^ Agreed.

There's a pretty definitive line when something is outright bullshit though.
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