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Joversch 01-12-2014 07:54 PM

Forward Stance Better for Carving?
 
Is Forward Stance really better for carving? and how so?

kaborkian 01-12-2014 10:37 PM

Yes. Because it is..

tonicusa 01-12-2014 10:54 PM

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If you mean this kind of carving then yes.

hardasacatshead 01-12-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by speedjason (Post 1429537)
well you engage more edge under front foot to cut into snow. if you sit in the back its very easy to skid.

I feel like a lose a handful of brain cells every time I read one of your posts.

Mel M 01-13-2014 08:32 AM

I've been doing exclusively duck the for two years (50+ times going up the mountain) and went forward stance this year (about a dozen trips). I don't want to go and outright say it's better, since many experienced riders carve excellent using duck stances, but I've found an improvement in both speed and angulation for various reasons.

1.) I liked the mechanics better, as I found forward stances were more dependent on knee drive and rolling of the ankles as opposed to when I went duck and found I really had to focus more on the "hump and dump" action which took me out of rhythm and seemed a little unnatural for me. I had a pretty extreme duck (+21,-21), so that might have something to do with it

2.) I'm able to dive forward better into my next turn. Again, I had a pretty extreme duck, so that might have something to do with it, but for some reason, my forward motion going into my next turn wasn't as fluid and lead to some pretty sloppy turn initiation. Maybe another year duck would've improved it, but with forward, I found it much easier by the second trip up the mountain to do this going down steeps or going at speed.

3.) Body alignment. With duck, your body is aligned with the board and with forward stances it seems a bit counter-rotated forward, but really, it's aligned with your feet. When riding dynamically, I much prefer having my body position face more down hill than to the side of it. Plus, I don't have as much neck pain looking to the left all the time as I did with duck. LOL :D

Again, not for everyone, but it might be worth a try. Also, you might not like it all that much the first time like I did. It took two trips for me to dial it in (angles, stance width, mechanics, etc.), so give it some time.

CassMT 01-13-2014 08:46 AM

Well said MelM...the only rider who could answer this objectively is on who knows both ''modes' well

Joversch 01-13-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mel M (Post 1430121)
I've been doing exclusively duck the for two years (50+ times going up the mountain) and went forward stance this year (about a dozen trips). I don't want to go and outright say it's better, since many experienced riders carve excellent using duck stances, but I've found an improvement in both speed and angulation for various reasons.

1.) I liked the mechanics better, as I found forward stances were more dependent on knee drive and rolling of the ankles as opposed to when I went duck and found I really had to focus more on the "hump and dump" action which took me out of rhythm and seemed a little unnatural for me. I had a pretty extreme duck (+21,-21), so that might have something to do with it

2.) I'm able to dive forward better into my next turn. Again, I had a pretty extreme duck, so that might have something to do with it, but for some reason, my forward motion going into my next turn wasn't as fluid and lead to some pretty sloppy turn initiation. Maybe another year duck would've improved it, but with forward, I found it much easier by the second trip up the mountain to do this going down steeps or going at speed.

3.) Body alignment. With duck, your body is aligned with the board and with forward stances it seems a bit counter-rotated forward, but really, it's aligned with your feet. When riding dynamically, I much prefer having my body position face more down hill than to the side of it. Plus, I don't have as much neck pain looking to the left all the time as I did with duck. LOL :D

Again, not for everyone, but it might be worth a try. Also, you might not like it all that much the first time like I did. It took two trips for me to dial it in (angles, stance width, mechanics, etc.), so give it some time.

Thank you, What angles did you end up with?

baconzoo 01-13-2014 11:06 AM

duck makes you a turtle on your heelside...:laugh:

Carving is all knees and hips. a forward stance allows you to drive your weight over the edge via hip projection, in a way that allows you to get more of an effective edge throughout the entire board.

Duck allows you to rock the board on edge and carve, but projecting your hip forward and into the carve is a lot harder to do. So you cant carve as hard or as long and drawn out as you can with a forward stance.

My 10cents:blink:

Mel M 01-13-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CassMT (Post 1430169)
Well said MelM...the only rider who could answer this objectively is on who knows both ''modes' well

Thanks. I know two seasons worth duck might not be enough time to dial down advanced carving, but I don't see myself going back. I still have duck on my softer board to do more freestyle oriented stuff (switch, spins, presses, etc.)




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Originally Posted by Joversch (Post 1430529)
Thank you, What angles did you end up with?

Honestly, don't quite remember. The front was 24 or 27 and the back was 9 or 12. I remember I had to change it around when I started the season and that was a month ago.

jml22 01-13-2014 12:38 PM

I noticed a big difference from +15 -9 to +15 0
Probably do +18 +3 so on. It just makes it so much easier to hold a heel side carve


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