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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-31-2014, 03:44 PM Thread Starter
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Question about Pop

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I am beginning to enter the terrain park, and I have a question about popping off of a jump. I am fine with coasting off of jumps, but it doesn't seem like I get nearly as much air as my friends when attempting to pop off the jump.

My friend states he simply jumps at the top as hard as he can, but he is always off balance in the air.

When going off a jump, I flex my knees at the base, and extend my knees and then do a small, controlled jump at the lip, and then suck my knees up? I feel like my form is overall stable, but I am just not getting nearly as much air as my friends.

Thanks for any advice!
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My friend states he simply jumps at the top as hard as he can, but he is always off balance in the air.

When going off a jump, I flex my knees at the base, and extend my knees and then do a small, controlled jump at the lip, and then suck my knees up? I feel like my form is overall stable, but I am just not getting nearly as much air as my friends.
From your description it sounds like your form is right. Do you feel stable in the air? Then you're doing it right; get more approach speed to launch higher if that's what you want...

If your friend isn't stable then he's got some issues to work out!
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If your friend isn't stable then he's got some issues to work out!
LOL this.

But for real, just keep working at it. Some people just have a knack at popping. I play volleyball and skateboard, I can jump pretty high and I pretty consistantly get more height and distance off jumps then the adverage riders that are hitting them. To me there is a lot more to getting height then just jumping at the lip. How you you load up, and when are huge factors. For example, if you jump from a bent position you wont jump as high as you would if you bend down and jump all in one smooth motion. Also make sure your jumping off the balls of your feet, not flat footed.

Anyways, I'd rather see a rider jump low and smooth then high and flailing, just keep working on your timing and slowly popping harder. Try it everywhere as well, not just off the jumps. If thats not doing it then start doing squats and pliometrics. It could just be that your buddy can jump way higher then you.
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Keep doing what you're doing. You don't put too much effort into the pop. You control how much air you have with speed. Some tricks will vary, and so will some jumps. Keep it mellow and stay in control. Let your friend tard pop all he wants.
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get low to get high...don't fully extend when you pop it, that will throw you off and you will look unstylish and feel embarrassment in front of all your friends
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If you are talking about "straight airs" you want to get the tail of the board to spring you a bit extra off of the lip.

Depending upon your riding ability there are two ways to do it. If you are an experienced rider and have a good ollie, then slightly driving or shuffling the board under you right at the lip will load that tail similar to an ollie and pop you. If you keep your core locked and you are compact in the air you can then pull the board back under you. It's a great feeling movement but don't try to pop straight airs this way unless you "get" what I'm talking about.

Otherwise time your pop so that as you are "slightly" hopping evenly and with an engaged core at the lip, if the tail still manages to catch the end of the jump, you will feel the tail boomerang you a bit. Keep you core locked so that your body doesn't extend and get tall.

And as Extremo mentioned, you probably won't feel any of this unless you are hauling ass and hitting a medium sized kicker at a good speed. ZOtherwise with all that dinking around on little stuff it will be hard to get gravity and board mechanics really kicking in.
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Basically your friend is doing it wrong and you're doing it right. A small, stable pop is great, don't change what you're doing (not sure why some people are telling you to add ollie or do other things, you're already doing it right).

There's a reason you're stable, while your friend is off balanced and unstable in the air

Jumping isn't about getting a huge amount of air, it's about getting a clean, stable air that lets you land in the sweet spot of the landing. If you're already doing a pop (which you are), and you still need more airtime to get to that sweet spot, just increase your speed.

Never copy friends in the park unless they really know what they're doing... most people suck at freestyle and are doing a lot of things wrong.

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You don't know if he's doing it right. And snapping your tail on a straight air is jumping 101. Unless you are watching too many snowboard addiction videos.

If you simply ride off a jump with a little hop at the lip that doesn't mean you are going to get any pop out of your tail. If you never learn to do that via timing and board control you will never have a straight air with any boost. It was my impression that his question was "basically" why do some guys get way more pop off the same kicker at the same speed than others (something you can see everyday in the park) its because they are snapping the tail on the jump. Im the guy who used the word ollie because in my age group (jumping with Jussi everybody knew what snapping your tail or ollieing off a jump meant. And most people still do. No one thinks this equates to a flat ground ollie, simply loading the tail on a straight air the same way.

This idea of not teaching beginners this is something real new in the last five years and for different reasons .
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You don't know if he's doing it right. And snapping your tail on a straight air is jumping 101. Unless you are watching too many snowboard addiction videos.

If you simply ride off a jump with a little hop at the lip that doesn't mean you are going to get any pop out of your tail. If you never learn to do that via timing and board control you will never have a straight air with any boost.
Well from his description of what he's doing it sounds like he's doing it right:

"When going off a jump, I flex my knees at the base, and extend my knees and then do a small, controlled jump at the lip, and then suck my knees up? I feel like my form is overall stable, but I am just not getting nearly as much air as my friends."

If you want to snap your tail off the lip on a straight air you can I suppose, it's not something I ever do or ever needed to do, especially not as the jumps get bigger and stability becomes more important than boosting up for no reason when I'm already landing in the sweet spot of a jump.

I suppose it's something you could do on small jumps, but I have no idea why you'd want to be doing this as you move to bigger jumps.

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It was my impression that his question was "basically" why do some guys get way more pop off the same kicker at the same speed than others (something you can see everyday in the park) its because they are snapping the tail on the jump. Im the guy who used the word ollie because in my age group (jumping with Jussi everybody knew what snapping your tail or ollieing off a jump meant. And most people still do. No one thinks this equates to a flat ground ollie, simply loading the tail on a straight air the same way.

This idea of not teaching beginners this is something real new in the last five years and for different reasons .
I think we went into this with different assumptions on what he was asking. From his description it seemed to me like he said his friend was just jumping really hard off a jump and getting more pop, but was also unstable and he wanted to know if he should be doing that too or if his current pop technique was wrong.

I'm not really there on the whole snapping tail on a straight air thing, but I suppose if some people want to do that off jumps they can *shrug*, seems odd to me to be increasing your instability vs just popping though.

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A lot of it just plain comes down to how good you are. Most of us can't get away with popping hard off of jumps, we're just not good enough. Most of us look like your buddy flailing around when we try to pop hard off of a jump, but watch the pros in big air or slopestyle, hell even in the pipe. They're popping the shit out of those hits. They're really fucking good.
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