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M.C._Dub 03-03-2014 12:54 PM

First attempt at a 360
 
Hey all - working on landing my first 3. Mind taking a look at these vids and telling me what you think?





To me, it looks like my setup, takeoff and 180 are ok, but obviously I lose it completely after that. I did notice that I got my head all the way around, which was a nice surprise to see, but clearly something goes wrong about mid way through the spin.

Do I need to pop higher? Suck up my legs more for stability? Spot the landing better? Just looking for some tips from you pros. Thanks!

bmaniga 03-03-2014 01:19 PM

looks good and I can't pull front 3's yet...

Having said that the only thing I can point out is that frontside 3's should be landed blind and it looks like you are over rotating as you bring your head around to spot the landing.:dunno:

yimingration 03-03-2014 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bmaniga (Post 1584330)
looks good and I can't pull front 3's yet...

Having said that the only thing I can point out is that frontside 3's should be landed blind and it looks like you are over rotating as you bring your head around to spot the landing.:dunno:

I am pretty sure you land blind on back 3's..

It looks like you are over-rotating.. =\ I can only land 50% of my 3s.. so maybe someone more pro can chime in

zenboarder 03-03-2014 04:11 PM

While I am no Jed...

Video 1 the problem is definitely being over rotated. You landed in a full on side slip after missing the 360 point. No way are you going to save that one... In addition you are looking down at your board which is going to result in you being off axis/crooked as you go through the air.

In video 2 again you are off axis. Way too heavy on the back foot. You are looking down towards the end again and are you dipping down your shoulder when coming off the lip?

Anyways that's my 2 cents I am sure Jed will stop in give better advice :P

Kenai 03-03-2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bmaniga (Post 1584330)
looks good and I can't pull front 3's yet...

Having said that the only thing I can point out is that frontside 3's should be landed blind and it looks like you are over rotating as you bring your head around to spot the landing.:dunno:

I know it is stupid to have a bunch of people chime in who can't do 3s themselves (like me), but bmaniga is right - frontside 3s should be landed blind. To stop your rotation and stomp your landing you need to look uphill/backward at the landing. You should not be looking forward! Look for the videos at Snowboard Addiction or snomie.com - they are worth paying for. You can also get some good info for free on YouTube.

Jed 03-03-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zenboarder (Post 1584922)
While I am no Jed...

Video 1 the problem is definitely being over rotated. You landed in a full on side slip after missing the 360 point. No way are you going to save that one... In addition you are looking down at your board which is going to result in you being off axis/crooked as you go through the air.

In video 2 again you are off axis. Way too heavy on the back foot. You are looking down towards the end again and are you dipping down your shoulder when coming off the lip?

Anyways that's my 2 cents I am sure Jed will stop in give better advice :P

Hah, you can be substitute Jed :p

The main problem here is you need to land blind as others have said.

Frontside 360s are a blind landing, meaning you start rotating frontside by rotating your head and upper body, but you keep looking backwards at the knuckle as you land.

Right now you keep trying to twist your head to look around as quickly as possible and that's screwing up your spin and making you overrotate in weird ways.

Look backwards and rotate your upper body into the spin to start with, but keep your head looking backwards until AFTER you land. Let your lower body complete that frontside 360 and land while you're still looking backwards and down at the knuckle.

Krato 03-03-2014 07:33 PM

Like Jed said you need to concentrate on finishing blind and bringing the last part around with your lower body.

I think your biggest problem however is what you are doing with your front left foot. When you start rotating, you are curling your front leg too much and your nose is well above your tail. When you do that you are basically speeding up your rotation. It is a great technique for getting extra spin but in your case its causing you to overspin. So keep that board more flat. Do anything but keep your nose up in the air like that.

slyder 03-03-2014 08:06 PM

What I also noticed is watch the video again and concentrate on your arms.

1st at the top of the hill you pull them behind you to help wind up for the 3.
At the lip of the jump before you take off your hands are just dangling in front of you and you huck your torso off and around to make the rotation.

The 2nd video you have NO set up turn at all and are taking off flat based basically just jumping in the air and whipping your torso around.

The arm movement you were practicing at the top and the set up turn you kinda did in the 1st video were no where in the 2nd attempt.

GOOD NOTE you are doing them safely your getting around. Some small fixes and I'm betting you are they on your next outing. Keep tapeing them that is a huge help :thumbsup:
Keep at it !!

zenboarder 03-03-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slyder (Post 1585770)
What I also noticed is watch the video again and concentrate on your arms.

1st at the top of the hill you pull them behind you to help wind up for the 3.
At the lip of the jump before you take off your hands are just dangling in front of you and you huck your torso off and around to make the rotation.

The 2nd video you have NO set up turn at all and are taking off flat based basically just jumping in the air and whipping your torso around.

The arm movement you were practicing at the top and the set up turn you kinda did in the 1st video were no where in the 2nd attempt.

GOOD NOTE you are doing them safely your getting around. Some small fixes and I'm betting you are they on your next outing. Keep tapeing them that is a huge help :thumbsup:
Keep at it !!

You having any luck with your 3's or did the whole broken arm thing put your goals on hiatus?

slyder 03-04-2014 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by zenboarder (Post 1585874)
You having any luck with your 3's or did the whole broken arm thing put your goals on hiatus?

Zen I did get a park session in Sunday I will post some pics in my thread. 3's not yet, ugly 1's yes. I saw in my video the same thing as MCDub was doing. In my pre take off my arms worked just fine, I hit a small side lip and someone glued my arms to my side. It was the weirdest thing :laugh:
Video is a great tool to see what your doing right/wrong


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