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drstone 03-20-2014 03:25 PM

Getting into tricks
 
Ive spent most of this season so far trying to get some skills back after an injury. I pretty well have the hang of it again ( i was never amazing). I can ride pretty smoothly again, i can handle speed and steeps, even had a coach I got friendly with say my technique was pretty decent....she hasnt seen me ride switch though haha

I told her i want to get better than I was before and she told me to just start hitting some small jumps on the trail first and move into 180s and 360s.

This sounds kinda screwy cause shouldnt I get decent at riding switch first?

I can ride switch on my toeside all day, but everytime i try to go heelside i end up on my ass, and I have an amazing bruise to show for it .

advice?

speedjason 03-20-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by drstone (Post 1627762)
Ive spent most of this season so far trying to get some skills back after an injury. I pretty well have the hang of it again ( i was never amazing). I can ride pretty smoothly again, i can handle speed and steeps, even had a coach I got friendly with say my technique was pretty decent....she hasnt seen me ride switch though haha

I told her i want to get better than I was before and she told me to just start hitting some small jumps on the trail first and move into 180s and 360s.

This sounds kinda screwy cause shouldnt I get decent at riding switch first?

I can ride switch on my toeside all day, but everytime i try to go heelside i end up on my ass, and I have an amazing bruise to show for it .

advice?

well getting better riding on switch is a must if you gonna be riding switch and turning. I dont think you need to be riding much switch if you just doing 180's and 360s apart from switch landing.

glaucon 03-20-2014 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by drstone (Post 1627762)
I told her i want to get better than I was before and she told me to just start hitting some small jumps on the trail first and move into 180s and 360s.

This sounds kinda screwy cause shouldnt I get decent at riding switch first?

I don't think "getting better" is a linear function. Learning to ride switch will make 180s much easier; 360s are obviously less dependent. You can start working it all into your riding at the same time, though I would think of the progression as: switch -> 180s -> 360s. Just keep practicing switch on mellow terrain and you'll get there.

snowman55 03-20-2014 04:18 PM

The progression I went through was:

1. Learn to ride switch. Good enough where you can at least feel comfortable riding switch for few turns and can stop. You need this to practice 180s.

2. Work on 180s. Front side, back side, from the toe side and heel side. Being able to do 180 will help you with 360.

drstone 03-20-2014 04:59 PM

yeah i kinda figured itd be best to learn switch first. my only problem is transitioning from toe to heel while riding switch still feels so wrong.

Booo! 03-20-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by drstone (Post 1628106)
yeah i kinda figured itd be best to learn switch first. my only problem is transitioning from toe to heel while riding switch still feels so wrong.

A lot of fun things still somehow "feel so wrong."

Learning switch is a lot like learning to ride for the first time. Try to remember what you were doing wrong back then, you're probably making the same mistakes in switch. For me it was 1. not bending my knees and 2. not having my weight properly centered (not enough weight on my front leg).

Before you start throwing spins I would try and get comfy spinning without jumping at all first, to make sure you don't catch any edges and avoid a lot of future pain. In a similar sense you can also practice your nose/tail presses and nose/tail rolls. This will help you land those less than perfect spins.

Jed 03-20-2014 11:20 PM

No reason you can't play around with small jumps now (make sure you learn to pop off both feet evenly for jumps), but before you start 180s, you definitely want to have some switch down.

It's basically always a good idea to work on switch as early as possible, even before you need it because the longer you leave it the bigger the gap between your switch and regular riding becomes and the harder it is to force yourself to ride switch.

snowman55 03-21-2014 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by drstone (Post 1628106)
yeah i kinda figured itd be best to learn switch first. my only problem is transitioning from toe to heel while riding switch still feels so wrong.

It will but you will get it quickly as long as you dedicate some time and stick with it.

I went to the bunny hill and did same beginner drills I did when I first learned to ride (falling leaf, J turns, etc). After few hours of this, I was able feel comfortable riding down a short mellow green run switch. You won't feel wrong after doing those drills for a day.

I then forced myself to ride switch at least 50% of the time afterwards until I felt comfortable riding blue runs.

drstone 03-26-2014 05:15 PM

ive had a few more days to practice and its been good. finally had that moment where everything clicked. but then i came back the next day and ate shit. started moving fast, the fear sets in (especially since this happened twice before...)and in a desperate attempt to initiate a heel side turn dropped my heel edge too soon and put all 230 lbs on my left ass cheek. couldnt move for 2 days haha. so frustrating. im having trouble getting the board on the fall line before transitioning. any advice for this? i do better with generic tips. drop your front shoulder, shoulders straight with the board, hump/dump etc

front toe edge should stay engaged until youre pointed down the fall line? or do you just lean your weight on your back foot and pull the front? im probably overthinking it hahah

stillz 03-26-2014 09:06 PM

This is way off track from the original post, but it sounds like your switch turns have some problems, and you will definitely want some basic switch riding before attempting spins. Since I haven't seen you ride I don't know what exactly you need to change. There are people at your mountain who can help with this.

When first riding switch, it's easy to feel like a beginner again. To avoid edge catches, I tell beginners to change edges at the fall line. Throughout the entire turn, your weight should be centered between your feet, and your knees and ankles flexed. Also, the front foot always leads edging movements and the back foot follows through. During the top half of the turn, you're gradually releasing pressure from the old edge (front foot first so the nose goes down the hill first). So technically the old edge is still engaged, but you're moving toward a flat board. At the fall line, gradually apply pressure to the new edge. Again, front foot first, twisting the board to start, and finishing the turn by following through with the back foot. Try to carry speed into the traverse to ensure a round turn shape and facilitate an earlier edge change.

While delaying the edge change is useful for getting those first turns to happen without slams, but eventually you will want to begin to change edges earlier in the turn. Early edge change = early speed control = more success on steeper terrain. The real rule is that there must be no skidding for a safe edge change. You can listen for this. If you try to change edges when you can hear your board scraping, you're gonna have a bad time. If your board is quietly tracking from tip to tail, you're good to go.


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